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Don't talk to the police [video]

• ColinWright 13y ago
  Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=219758 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=219758 A few of the other submissions of this video: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5828793 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5828793 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3605918 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3605918 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3266782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3266782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3015048 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3015048 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1703988 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1703988 There are probably more.
  • Newky 13y ago
    Apologies, I haven't seen it here before.
    • ColinWright 13y ago
      It's very common for items to be posted here on a semi-regular basis. Some things just appeal to the hacker mindset, and when seen, get posted. Mostly I'm providing a link to previous discussion so people can see what HN said about the matter last time.
      • jared314 13y ago
        A timeline would be an interesting feature to add to posts, but it might be difficult to prevent abuse, without adding up down voting on each timeline item.
  • lolwutf 13y ago
    Ugh, 'discussion' was submitted more than 5 years ago. The world has changed since then.
    • ColinWright 13y ago
      If nothing else, that makes it even more interesting to see the previous discussion, and see how attitudes have changed, if at all.
  • frozenport 13y ago
    Do you have an automated method of generating this list?
    • steveklabnik 13y ago
      The last person to do that got yelled at by everyone a lot :( I always found it very useful.
    • ColinWright 13y ago
      I have a script. I put in search terms, it pops out the list of items, along with estimated numbers of comments. I then, by hand, construct the reply.
• fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
  I'm a college instructor. Even though my courses have nothing to do with law, I show Duane's videos to every freshmen class. I got tired of seeing good students lose their fin-aid after the local cops go around and do their annual drug task-force roundup. For years I've been skeptical of the efficacy of police tactics and strategy. I'd say that skepticism has evolved to a default of suspicion of any police activity. I find myself contemplating installation of bars on my doors and windows, security fencing, etc; not for fear of "normal" crime, but of errant police activity. I wish I had some statistics upon which to base that notion. I'm a fairly normal, caucasian, middle-class guy with a wife and two kids, no criminal record; and I am more fearful that I will be harmed by police criminality or ineptitude than by non-police criminals.
  • knowaveragejoe 13y ago
    Here's a nice article with lots of examples why your fear is not misplaced: http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/ http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_m...
    • fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
      Thanks. Someone submitted it, being discussed here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6001843 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6001843
  • ciclista 13y ago
    Here's a documentary you might enjoy: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2125653/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2125653/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
  • billybob255 13y ago
    Your fear is generally misplaced, here[0] are police misconduct stats (granted they don't count every single episode of police misconduct) and here[1] are crime stats. Certainly one episode of police misconduct is too much, but it's not nearly as high as crimes the police weren't involved in. I think sites like HN and reddit showcase police misconduct and this leads to an exaggerated view of how prevalent it is compared to other dangers. It's similar to the MSM and sexual abuse/stranger danger. [0]http://www.policemisconduct.net/2010-npmsrp-police-misconduct-statistical-report/ http://www.policemisconduct.net/2010-npmsrp-police-misconduc... [1]http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats
• Ethan_Mick 13y ago
  They mention at one point what people say when they are stopped by the police for speeding. "Do you know how fast you were going?" "Well... 38...40?" (In a 35 MPH zone). I was told to always say "No, Officer, I don't know why you pulled me over". This seems to be a good idea now, as it cannot be seen as a confession. What should you say when the officer pulls you over? Can you plead the 5th and say nothing? How well does that go over?
  • geon 13y ago
    Are you not required to know what speed you were driving at? How else would you be able to stay under the limit?
    • fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
      A driver obviously cannot constantly keep his/her eyes on the instruments.
      • geon 13y ago
        No obviously not, but you should have a sense of speed enough to not deviate much from the last time you checked.
        • fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
          Not precise enough that I would testify against myself or against someone else.
    • scarecrowbob 13y ago
      I don't get pulled over often, but the last time that I got pulled over I told the officer that I believed I was going the speed limit. It's a subtle distinction, but it seemed to work as he had no other reason to pull me over and didn't write me a ticket.
      • AldousHaxley 13y ago
• geon 13y ago
  It seems to me that most of the issues are a result of the jury system, where people feel that the defendant is guilty or not. There was an example at the end where a witness claims she saw the defentant at the crime scene. Her testimony would have been ignored because it is so unsupported. But if the defendant stated to the police that he wasn't there, he could be accused of lying and thus be more likely to be convicted. To me, this just doesn't make sense.
• TempleOS 13y ago
  Highs and lows balance -- no worries. God is perfectly just. ------- 39:12 And she caught him by his garment, saying, Lie with me: and he left his garment in her hand, and fled, and got him out. 39:13 And it came to pass, when she saw that he had left his garment in her hand, and was fled forth, 39:14 That she called unto the men of her house, and spake unto them, saying, See, he hath brought in an Hebrew unto us to mock us; he came in unto me to lie with me, and I cried with a loud voice: 39:15 And it came to pass, when he heard that I lifted up my voice and cried, that he left his garment with me, and fled, and got him out. 39:16 And she laid up his garment by her, until his lord came home. 39:17 And she spake unto him according to these words, saying, The Hebrew servant, which thou hast brought unto us, came in unto me to mock me: 39:18 And it came to pass, as I lifted up my voice and cried, that he left his garment with me, and fled out. 39:19 And it came to pass, when his master heard the words of his wife, which she spake unto him, saying, After this manner did thy servant to me; that his wrath was kindled. 39:20 And Joseph's master took him, and put him into the prison, a place where the king's prisoners were bound: and he was there in the prison. 39:21 But the LORD was with Joseph, and shewed him mercy, and gave him favour in the sight of the keeper of the prison. 39:22 And the keeper of the prison committed to Joseph's hand all the prisoners that were in the prison; and whatsoever they did there, he was the doer of it. 39:23 The keeper of the prison looked not to any thing that was under his hand; because the LORD was with him, and that which he did, the LORD made it to prosper. 40:1 And it came to pass after these things, that the butler of the king of Egypt and his baker had offended their lord the king of Egypt. 40:2 And Pharaoh was wroth against two of his officers, against the chief of the butlers, and against the chief of the bakers. 40:3 And he put them in ward in the house of the captain of the guard, into the prison, the place where Joseph was bound. 40:4 And the captain of the guard charged Joseph with them, and he served them: and they continued a season in ward. 40:5 And they dreamed a dream both of them, each man his dream in one night, each man according to the interpretation of his dream, the butler and the baker of the king of Egypt, which were bound in the prison. 40:6 And Joseph came in unto them in the morning, and looked upon them, and, behold, they were sad. 40:7 And he asked Pharaoh's officers that were with him in the ward of his lord's house, saying, Wherefore look ye so sadly to day? 40:8 And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you. 40:9 And the chief butler told his dream to Joseph, and said to him, In my dream, behold, a vine was before me; 40:10 And in the vine were three branches: and it was as though it budded, and her blossoms shot forth; and the clusters thereof brought forth ripe grapes: 40:11 And Pharaoh's cup was in my hand: and I took the grapes, and pressed them into Pharaoh's cup, and I gave the cup into Pharaoh's hand. 40:12 And Joseph said unto him, This is the interpretation of it: The three branches are three days: 40:13 Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thine head, and restore thee unto thy place: and thou shalt deliver Pharaoh's cup into his hand, after the former manner when thou wast his butler. 40:14 But think on me when it shall be well with thee, and shew kindness, I pray thee, unto me, and make mention of me unto Pharaoh, and bring me out of this house: 40:15 For indeed I was stolen away out of the land of the Hebrews: and here also have I done nothing that they should put me into the dungeon. 40:16 When the chief baker saw that the interpretation was good, he said unto Joseph, I also was in my dream, and, behold, I had three white baskets on my head: 40:17 And in the uppermost basket there was of all manner of bakemeats for Pharaoh; and the birds did eat them out of the basket upon my head. 40:18 And Joseph answered and said, This is the interpretation thereof: The three baskets are three days: 40:19 Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thy head from off thee, and shall hang thee on a tree; and the birds shall eat thy flesh from off thee. 40:20 And it came to pass the third day, which was Pharaoh's birthday, that he made a feast unto all his servants: and he lifted up the head of the chief butler and of the chief baker among his servants. 40:21 And he restored the chief butler unto his butlership again; and he gave the cup into Pharaoh's hand: 40:22 But he hanged the chief baker: as Joseph had interpreted to them. 40:23 Yet did not the chief butler remember Joseph, but forgat him. 41:1 And it came to pass at the end of two full years, that Pharaoh dreamed: and, behold, he stood by the river. 41:2 And, behold, there came up out of the river seven well favoured kine and fatfleshed; and they fed in a meadow. 41:3 And, behold, seven other kine came up after them out of the river, ill favoured and leanfleshed; and stood by the other kine upon the brink of the river. 41:4 And the ill favoured and leanfleshed kine did eat up the seven well favoured and fat kine. So Pharaoh awoke. 41:5 And he slept and dreamed the second time: and, behold, seven ears of corn came up upon one stalk, rank and good. 41:6 And, behold, seven thin ears and blasted with the east wind sprung up after them. 41:7 And the seven thin ears devoured the seven rank and full ears. And Pharaoh awoke, and, behold, it was a dream. 41:8 And it came to pass in the morning that his spirit was troubled; and he sent and called for all the magicians of Egypt, and all the wise men thereof: and Pharaoh told them his dream; but there was none that could interpret them unto Pharaoh. 41:9 Then spake the chief butler unto Pharaoh, saying, I do remember my faults this day: 41:10 Pharaoh was wroth with his servants, and put me in ward in the captain of the guard's house, both me and the chief baker: 41:11 And we dreamed a dream in one night, I and he; we dreamed each man according to the interpretation of his dream.
• Friedduck 13y ago
  According to the recent Salinas v. Texas decision it's not even enough to remain silent. You have to assert your 5th amendment privilege immediately. As described in a number of articles, 'you don't have the right to remain silent.'