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The counterpoint of course is that with open source there can always be forked versions with egregious features removed. If OS X decided to record all of your

by jiggy2011 13y ago

The counterpoint of course is that with open source there can always be forked versions with egregious features removed. If OS X decided to record all of your search results you'd be SOL.

kunai 13y ago
Not really... pretty much every aspect of OS X is removable, it just isn't as straightforward as Ubuntu and may break portions of the system. You can remove Spotlight and Notification Center with ease, and I doubt it would be difficult to disable recording. Although I highly doubt Apple would risk the backlash by putting a malicious feature like that in without an option to turn it off.
- oblique63 13y ago
  > Although I highly doubt Apple would risk the backlash by putting a malicious feature like that in without an option to turn it off. Really? Wasn't Apple the one tracking iphone users wherever they went? [1] I get the concern about Ubuntu sending data to amazon by default (i.e. can be disabled), I really do, but going out of the way to recommend something as proprietary as either Apple or Microsoft out of spite? This is what really bothers me about the OSS community. How about helping Mint/Fedora out and recommending them instead? I know some do, but even the OP here flaunted that an OSX recommendation seemed more viable than Ubuntu. As much as I would want not to be tracked, at least with Open Source SOFTWARE we can be more aware of it, or even have a say in it; not always so with proprietary stuff! So no, I do not believe either Windows or OSX are better than Ubuntu in this regard. Not to mention that Canonical isn't a big company, so if they need help bootstrapping by doing some stuff with amazon for now, then so be it. I would hold off judgement on their actions until they're actually in a position of real financial power, cause right now it just seems they had to resort to such ad placement deals because the generous donations weren't cutting it. It's really not clear whether it's actually that big of a deal right now. [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy-fears http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-trac...
- leephillips 13y ago
  Much of OSX is closed source. The only way you know it's not sending out your information is if you continuously monitor and analyse every packet leaving the machine.
- jiggy2011 13y ago
  With OS X you get no such guarantee (because the source is not widely available), with Ubuntu you do. For example there is no "OS X Mint".
anko 13y ago
With products where you pay for them in advance, you are the customer. So the companies making money off you tend to try and please you. In apple's case, sometimes they make decisions for the good of the user base, and those can annoy users with specific needs, but at the end of the day spying on their users is counter productive to being a profitable business. With ad/search sponsored products ie. google and now canonical, the business has 2 customers. The consumer and the people they are selling ads to. And they aren't even making money off you directly, so it doesn't take much logic to work out where the balance of interests lie.
- bad_user 13y ago
  That's bullshit, because even if you pay for OS X, Apple can always decide that OS X needs to be sacrificed in favour of iOS. And guess what. With iOS you're the product again, as the real customers are the mobile careers.
  - sbuk 13y ago
    "With iOS you're the product again, as the real customers are the mobile careers." Can you give an example?
    - deleted 13y ago
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The counterpoint of course is that with open source there can always be forked versions with egregious features removed. If OS X decided to record all of your search results you'd be SOL.

kunai 13y ago

Not really... pretty much every aspect of OS X is removable, it just isn't as straightforward as Ubuntu and may break portions of the system. You can remove Spotlight and Notification Center with ease, and I doubt it would be difficult to disable recording. Although I highly doubt Apple would risk the backlash by putting a malicious feature like that in without an option to turn it off.

oblique63 13y ago
> Although I highly doubt Apple would risk the backlash by putting a malicious feature like that in without an option to turn it off. Really? Wasn't Apple the one tracking iphone users wherever they went? [1] I get the concern about Ubuntu sending data to amazon by default (i.e. can be disabled), I really do, but going out of the way to recommend something as proprietary as either Apple or Microsoft out of spite? This is what really bothers me about the OSS community. How about helping Mint/Fedora out and recommending them instead? I know some do, but even the OP here flaunted that an OSX recommendation seemed more viable than Ubuntu. As much as I would want not to be tracked, at least with Open Source SOFTWARE we can be more aware of it, or even have a say in it; not always so with proprietary stuff! So no, I do not believe either Windows or OSX are better than Ubuntu in this regard. Not to mention that Canonical isn't a big company, so if they need help bootstrapping by doing some stuff with amazon for now, then so be it. I would hold off judgement on their actions until they're actually in a position of real financial power, cause right now it just seems they had to resort to such ad placement deals because the generous donations weren't cutting it. It's really not clear whether it's actually that big of a deal right now. [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy-fears http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-trac...
leephillips 13y ago
Much of OSX is closed source. The only way you know it's not sending out your information is if you continuously monitor and analyse every packet leaving the machine.
jiggy2011 13y ago
With OS X you get no such guarantee (because the source is not widely available), with Ubuntu you do. For example there is no "OS X Mint".

anko 13y ago

With products where you pay for them in advance, you are the customer. So the companies making money off you tend to try and please you. In apple's case, sometimes they make decisions for the good of the user base, and those can annoy users with specific needs, but at the end of the day spying on their users is counter productive to being a profitable business. With ad/search sponsored products ie. google and now canonical, the business has 2 customers. The consumer and the people they are selling ads to. And they aren't even making money off you directly, so it doesn't take much logic to work out where the balance of interests lie.

bad_user 13y ago
That's bullshit, because even if you pay for OS X, Apple can always decide that OS X needs to be sacrificed in favour of iOS. And guess what. With iOS you're the product again, as the real customers are the mobile careers.
- sbuk 13y ago
  "With iOS you're the product again, as the real customers are the mobile careers." Can you give an example?
  - deleted 13y ago
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