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KTVU is providing amazingly sensationalist coverage. I guess I do not watch enough video news to be use to seeing it. Just wild assumptions and implied detail

KTVU is providing amazingly sensationalist coverage. I guess I do not watch enough video news to be use to seeing it. Just wild assumptions and implied details.

bsg75 13y ago
Apparently the belief is if they don't talk constantly, the reality TV demographic (those influenced by commercials) won't watch. Actual information is not important, just dramatic syllables. Amazingly, Fox News is broadcasting a live feed of the scene, with no more audio than the helicopter itself: http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155606219001/ http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155606219001/
- speeder 13y ago
  When 9/11 happened here, the biggest news network here had the reporters do that, they kept talking random shit... It was kinda funny (despite the seriousness of the situation), when they were already full blasting the flight regulations and pilots on how irresponsible they were, when the second plane (that crashed on the second tower) entered the screen, and the anchor (that is the most famous anchor in Brazil) went: "LOOK AT HOW LOW THEY FLY, THAT IS..." and the plane crashes on the tower, and the reporter clearly go on full-confused mode, specially because it probably downed to him that he was speaking shit until now.
- ericcumbee 13y ago
  Check the lower third on CNN "Fire Chief: Fire Fighters went to work right away" I mean really? they did not stop for some in and out on the way to the scene?
  - JshWright 13y ago
    One of my favorite CNN quotes from the day: "Video taken soon after the crash and posted on YouTube showed dark gray smoke rising from the plane, which appeared to be upright. That smoke later became white, even as fire crews continued to douse the plane." Uh... that's what happens when you put water on fire... you get steam, which condenses into white clouds. That's a basic rule of firefighting... black bad, white good (and when it comes to structural firefighting, brown really bad).
    - duncan_bayne 13y ago
      Why is brown particularly bad?
      - zecho 13y ago
        In a house fire, brown smoke generally signifies structural fire, rather than the contents. I have no idea about aircraft. The situation matters, I would assume. Reading smoke is more art than actual science.
      - sbierwagen 13y ago
        http://www.fireengineering.com/articles/print/volume-158/issue-9/features/the-art-of-reading-smoke.html http://www.fireengineering.com/articles/print/volume-158/iss... White smoke that is slow or lazy is most likely indicative of early-stage heating. One more important note about smoke color: brown smoke. Unfinished wood gives off a distinctive brown smoke as it approaches late-stage heating (just prior to flaming). In many cases, the only unfinished wood in a structure are the wall studs, floor joists, and roof rafters/trusses (photo 3). This can tell you that the fire is transitioning from a contents fire to a structural fire. Using our knowledge of building construction-especially lightweight structural components and gusset plates-brown smoke issuing from gable-end vents, eaves, and floor seams becomes a warning sign of impending collapse.
        duncan_bayne 13y ago
        Thanks :)
qpoo 13y ago
Sensational it is sure. They have a helicopter circling around , while hacker news does not. But besides that, they can even interview drivers on highway 101, passengers on the next plane, how relevant! Oh, they did show the twitter picture by @eunner, yeah, they get it! They were reporting like that pretty much 10 years ago. As a side note, a koreatimes article about B777 incidents recently: (B777 engine failure sparks concerns) http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/07/116_138693.html http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/07/116_1386... '... On July 2, the jet, bound for Incheon International Airport from Chicago with 273 passengers on board, made the emergency landing at a far eastern Russian airport after only seven hours of flight. ... After engineers of Korean Air replaced the malfunctioned left engine, Korea’s Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport and the carrier launched an investigation into the incident and found the gearbox in the engine, built by General Electric (GE), was the reason for the problem. ...'
jasonmccay 13y ago
KTVU is borderline comical ... they were making wild assumptions that, even using basic logic and common sense, could be dismissed. I was really surprised how unknowledgeable they seemed. Much better to just report what you know and not try to make up information (even just claiming it as conjecture). Online sources were far more valuable.
- david_shaw 13y ago
  > they were making wild assumptions that, even using basic logic and common sense Agreed. I changed the channel (well, found a new live stream) when they said "it's likely that all or most of the passengers died" immediately after showing the photograph from the scene, showing many passengers leaving. The caption to the photo was "I'm fine, and everyone else seems fine." Really, KTVU?
  - paul_f 13y ago
    KTVU was so bad that I had to take a screenshot of their website. A photo showed people walking away from an upright plane with the copy "after wobbling for a minute, the aircraft flipped upside down, coming to a stop on runway upside down." https://twitter.com/pfreet/status/353599929039589376/photo/1 https://twitter.com/pfreet/status/353599929039589376/photo/1 The death of journalism indeed.

KTVU is providing amazingly sensationalist coverage. I guess I do not watch enough video news to be use to seeing it. Just wild assumptions and implied details.

bsg75 13y ago

Apparently the belief is if they don't talk constantly, the reality TV demographic (those influenced by commercials) won't watch. Actual information is not important, just dramatic syllables. Amazingly, Fox News is broadcasting a live feed of the scene, with no more audio than the helicopter itself: http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155606219001/ http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155606219001/

speeder 13y ago
When 9/11 happened here, the biggest news network here had the reporters do that, they kept talking random shit... It was kinda funny (despite the seriousness of the situation), when they were already full blasting the flight regulations and pilots on how irresponsible they were, when the second plane (that crashed on the second tower) entered the screen, and the anchor (that is the most famous anchor in Brazil) went: "LOOK AT HOW LOW THEY FLY, THAT IS..." and the plane crashes on the tower, and the reporter clearly go on full-confused mode, specially because it probably downed to him that he was speaking shit until now.
ericcumbee 13y ago
Check the lower third on CNN "Fire Chief: Fire Fighters went to work right away" I mean really? they did not stop for some in and out on the way to the scene?
- JshWright 13y ago
  One of my favorite CNN quotes from the day: "Video taken soon after the crash and posted on YouTube showed dark gray smoke rising from the plane, which appeared to be upright. That smoke later became white, even as fire crews continued to douse the plane." Uh... that's what happens when you put water on fire... you get steam, which condenses into white clouds. That's a basic rule of firefighting... black bad, white good (and when it comes to structural firefighting, brown really bad).
  - duncan_bayne 13y ago
    Why is brown particularly bad?
    - zecho 13y ago
      In a house fire, brown smoke generally signifies structural fire, rather than the contents. I have no idea about aircraft. The situation matters, I would assume. Reading smoke is more art than actual science.
    - sbierwagen 13y ago
      http://www.fireengineering.com/articles/print/volume-158/issue-9/features/the-art-of-reading-smoke.html http://www.fireengineering.com/articles/print/volume-158/iss... White smoke that is slow or lazy is most likely indicative of early-stage heating. One more important note about smoke color: brown smoke. Unfinished wood gives off a distinctive brown smoke as it approaches late-stage heating (just prior to flaming). In many cases, the only unfinished wood in a structure are the wall studs, floor joists, and roof rafters/trusses (photo 3). This can tell you that the fire is transitioning from a contents fire to a structural fire. Using our knowledge of building construction-especially lightweight structural components and gusset plates-brown smoke issuing from gable-end vents, eaves, and floor seams becomes a warning sign of impending collapse.
      - duncan_bayne 13y ago
        Thanks :)

qpoo 13y ago

Sensational it is sure. They have a helicopter circling around , while hacker news does not. But besides that, they can even interview drivers on highway 101, passengers on the next plane, how relevant! Oh, they did show the twitter picture by @eunner, yeah, they get it! They were reporting like that pretty much 10 years ago. As a side note, a koreatimes article about B777 incidents recently: (B777 engine failure sparks concerns) http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/07/116_138693.html http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/07/116_1386... '... On July 2, the jet, bound for Incheon International Airport from Chicago with 273 passengers on board, made the emergency landing at a far eastern Russian airport after only seven hours of flight. ... After engineers of Korean Air replaced the malfunctioned left engine, Korea’s Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport and the carrier launched an investigation into the incident and found the gearbox in the engine, built by General Electric (GE), was the reason for the problem. ...'

jasonmccay 13y ago

KTVU is borderline comical ... they were making wild assumptions that, even using basic logic and common sense, could be dismissed. I was really surprised how unknowledgeable they seemed. Much better to just report what you know and not try to make up information (even just claiming it as conjecture). Online sources were far more valuable.

david_shaw 13y ago
> they were making wild assumptions that, even using basic logic and common sense Agreed. I changed the channel (well, found a new live stream) when they said "it's likely that all or most of the passengers died" immediately after showing the photograph from the scene, showing many passengers leaving. The caption to the photo was "I'm fine, and everyone else seems fine." Really, KTVU?
- paul_f 13y ago
  KTVU was so bad that I had to take a screenshot of their website. A photo showed people walking away from an upright plane with the copy "after wobbling for a minute, the aircraft flipped upside down, coming to a stop on runway upside down." https://twitter.com/pfreet/status/353599929039589376/photo/1 https://twitter.com/pfreet/status/353599929039589376/photo/1 The death of journalism indeed.