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Vim 7.4a ready for beta testing

116 points by jvm 13y ago

TallboyOne 13y ago
Nice! How long does vim usually stay in beta? I'm not familiar with Vim's release cycle
- truncate 13y ago
  Quoted their website - 7.3 has more than 950 patches, that's too many! Time for a new (minor) release. The plan is to (1) improve Python support, (2) include a faster regexp engine and (3) include pending patches and fix bugs. A test version should be available end of May. The release happens when it appears to work well.
- ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
  You know, I just realized that I've been working with vim for 3 years now and I'm not familiar with it either, haha! I guess I never thought it before. Can anyone give more details about this topic?
- alecdbrooks 13y ago
  I'm not either familiar either, so I looked. There were 28 days between the announcement of 7.3a and 7.3, 46 between 7.2a and 7.2, and 7 between 7.1a and 7. It took 45 days to go from 7's first beta to stable release. For many of these, there were several beta releases, so there's a good chance we'll see a 7.4b or 7.4c. I would say that it certainly won't take more than two months before 7.4 is released and probably will take less than a month. You can sign up for vim-announce here: http://www.vim.org/maillist.php http://www.vim.org/maillist.php. Sources: 7.3a: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_dev/lSlC6cUV5TY https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_dev/lSlC6cUV5TY 7.3 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_announce/ZsAu_RUjVUs https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_announce/ZsAu_RU... 7.2a: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_multibyte/FVRKk5N5YcA https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_multibyte/FVRKk5... 7.2: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_announce/LIlnHdkogS8 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_announce/LIlnHdk... 7.1a: http://vim.1045645.n5.nabble.com/Vim-version-7-1a-BETA-has-been-released-td1223481.html http://vim.1045645.n5.nabble.com/Vim-version-7-1a-BETA-has-b... 7.1: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce/message/178 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce/message/178 7: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce/message/161 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce/message/161 7b (there was no 7a, apparently): http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce/message/153 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce/message/153
lymanlai 13y ago
I have switch to subl for coding, only sometimes on the ssh client to edit some stuff on server need vim
- ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
  I did this too, but I'm using the Vintageous plugin which has very good vi emulation. Not everything, of course, but it's got some momentum, has a ton of features already(most of the ones I know by muscle memory anyway) and gets frequent updates. So far it feels awesome, this modal editing with modern features, but I haven't used Sublime Text 3 enough to form a good opinion on why I like it yet. Mostly, I'm like "that minimap is pretty cool!". But I'm also using it like vim, so it's not like it's all sublime anyway.
  - mmgutz 13y ago
    Why does everyone love that minimap? It takes up space and you get the same result by clicking/dragging the scollbar. My co-worker uses it like a big fat scrollbar.
    - lsiebert 13y ago
      I think because it provides a visual reference for not just where in the file you are, but how the whole file looks, and lets you say, "I want to go there." Actually, I think you could probably make a vim plugin that emulated it's functionality, though probably not with it being readable.
kunai 13y ago
Does anyone even use Vim without plugins anymore? I tend to vacillate between vim and nvi. My vim setup is usual vim, with Powerline, NERDTree, CtrlP, TagBar, and omnicomplete, but whenever I use vanilla nvi to edit a config file, it's refreshingly simple and clean (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p1QaS8hzLc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p1QaS8hzLc). Anyone use vanilla vim? nvi? Some other visual ex editor that I don't know about?
- saraid216 13y ago
  I don't use anything except NERDTree. Is that close enough to vanilla to count?
  - matt_ 13y ago
    why not netrw?
    - saraid216 13y ago
      I don't know it. I tend to prefer vanilla setups with minimal customization, so it's very rare that I look at what plugins or add-ons or mods are available. NERDTree came to me by way of coworker, and I've grown to like it enough to put it in when I go to a new setup. From the name... I'm guessing it lets you vim into a remote? (Looked it up; basically, yup.) That doesn't sound useful for my purposes. I prefer to SSH in and boot up an instance of vim on the server. Preferring vanilla makes that not such a bad thing. :P
      - Avshalom 13y ago
        netrw is actually a built in, not a plugin and acts as a file browser like NERDtree. That said, I've never found netrw's behavior to be as friendly as NERDtree's at least out of the box.
- evol262 13y ago
  Vanilla, because I never have any idea what plugins are going to be installed on the systems I touch (probably none). It's the same argument for learning vi. It's there everywhere. Similarly, it probably has no plugins.
vito 13y ago
And just like that, a new MacVim snapshot: https://code.google.com/p/macvim/downloads/detail?name=MacVim-snapshot-67.tbz&can=2&q= https://code.google.com/p/macvim/downloads/detail?name=MacVi...
- TallboyOne 13y ago
  Now for homebrew next hopefully :D
  - Watabou 13y ago
    You can get 7.4beta from homebrew if you just give it the --HEAD flag. So, "brew install vim --HEAD"
  - mparramon 13y ago
    It should appear here soon: https://github.com/b4winckler/macvim https://github.com/b4winckler/macvim
    - TallboyOne 13y ago
      https://code.google.com/p/macvim/downloads/detail?name=MacVim-snapshot-67-Mountain-Lion.tbz&can=2&q= https://code.google.com/p/macvim/downloads/detail?name=MacVi...
btipling 13y ago
I hope we see a proper event loop for 7.5.

116 points by jvm 13y ago

TallboyOne 13y ago

Nice! How long does vim usually stay in beta? I'm not familiar with Vim's release cycle

truncate 13y ago
Quoted their website - 7.3 has more than 950 patches, that's too many! Time for a new (minor) release. The plan is to (1) improve Python support, (2) include a faster regexp engine and (3) include pending patches and fix bugs. A test version should be available end of May. The release happens when it appears to work well.
ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
You know, I just realized that I've been working with vim for 3 years now and I'm not familiar with it either, haha! I guess I never thought it before. Can anyone give more details about this topic?
alecdbrooks 13y ago
I'm not either familiar either, so I looked. There were 28 days between the announcement of 7.3a and 7.3, 46 between 7.2a and 7.2, and 7 between 7.1a and 7. It took 45 days to go from 7's first beta to stable release. For many of these, there were several beta releases, so there's a good chance we'll see a 7.4b or 7.4c. I would say that it certainly won't take more than two months before 7.4 is released and probably will take less than a month. You can sign up for vim-announce here: http://www.vim.org/maillist.php http://www.vim.org/maillist.php. Sources: 7.3a: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_dev/lSlC6cUV5TY https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_dev/lSlC6cUV5TY 7.3 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_announce/ZsAu_RUjVUs https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_announce/ZsAu_RU... 7.2a: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_multibyte/FVRKk5N5YcA https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_multibyte/FVRKk5... 7.2: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_announce/LIlnHdkogS8 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/vim_announce/LIlnHdk... 7.1a: http://vim.1045645.n5.nabble.com/Vim-version-7-1a-BETA-has-been-released-td1223481.html http://vim.1045645.n5.nabble.com/Vim-version-7-1a-BETA-has-b... 7.1: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce/message/178 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce/message/178 7: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce/message/161 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce/message/161 7b (there was no 7a, apparently): http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce/message/153 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce/message/153

lymanlai 13y ago

I have switch to subl for coding, only sometimes on the ssh client to edit some stuff on server need vim

ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
I did this too, but I'm using the Vintageous plugin which has very good vi emulation. Not everything, of course, but it's got some momentum, has a ton of features already(most of the ones I know by muscle memory anyway) and gets frequent updates. So far it feels awesome, this modal editing with modern features, but I haven't used Sublime Text 3 enough to form a good opinion on why I like it yet. Mostly, I'm like "that minimap is pretty cool!". But I'm also using it like vim, so it's not like it's all sublime anyway.
- mmgutz 13y ago
  Why does everyone love that minimap? It takes up space and you get the same result by clicking/dragging the scollbar. My co-worker uses it like a big fat scrollbar.
  - lsiebert 13y ago
    I think because it provides a visual reference for not just where in the file you are, but how the whole file looks, and lets you say, "I want to go there." Actually, I think you could probably make a vim plugin that emulated it's functionality, though probably not with it being readable.

kunai 13y ago

Does anyone even use Vim without plugins anymore? I tend to vacillate between vim and nvi. My vim setup is usual vim, with Powerline, NERDTree, CtrlP, TagBar, and omnicomplete, but whenever I use vanilla nvi to edit a config file, it's refreshingly simple and clean (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p1QaS8hzLc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p1QaS8hzLc). Anyone use vanilla vim? nvi? Some other visual ex editor that I don't know about?

saraid216 13y ago
I don't use anything except NERDTree. Is that close enough to vanilla to count?
- matt_ 13y ago
  why not netrw?
  - saraid216 13y ago
    I don't know it. I tend to prefer vanilla setups with minimal customization, so it's very rare that I look at what plugins or add-ons or mods are available. NERDTree came to me by way of coworker, and I've grown to like it enough to put it in when I go to a new setup. From the name... I'm guessing it lets you vim into a remote? (Looked it up; basically, yup.) That doesn't sound useful for my purposes. I prefer to SSH in and boot up an instance of vim on the server. Preferring vanilla makes that not such a bad thing. :P
    - Avshalom 13y ago
      netrw is actually a built in, not a plugin and acts as a file browser like NERDtree. That said, I've never found netrw's behavior to be as friendly as NERDtree's at least out of the box.
evol262 13y ago
Vanilla, because I never have any idea what plugins are going to be installed on the systems I touch (probably none). It's the same argument for learning vi. It's there everywhere. Similarly, it probably has no plugins.

vito 13y ago

And just like that, a new MacVim snapshot: https://code.google.com/p/macvim/downloads/detail?name=MacVim-snapshot-67.tbz&can=2&q= https://code.google.com/p/macvim/downloads/detail?name=MacVi...

TallboyOne 13y ago
Now for homebrew next hopefully :D
- Watabou 13y ago
  You can get 7.4beta from homebrew if you just give it the --HEAD flag. So, "brew install vim --HEAD"
- mparramon 13y ago
  It should appear here soon: https://github.com/b4winckler/macvim https://github.com/b4winckler/macvim
  - TallboyOne 13y ago
    https://code.google.com/p/macvim/downloads/detail?name=MacVim-snapshot-67-Mountain-Lion.tbz&can=2&q= https://code.google.com/p/macvim/downloads/detail?name=MacVi...

btipling 13y ago

I hope we see a proper event loop for 7.5.