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I'm sorry, how is that an extremist view? Nowhere is he saying that we should all assassinate the president, or kill all the arabs, or anything resembling extre

by GuiA 13y ago

I'm sorry, how is that an extremist view? Nowhere is he saying that we should all assassinate the president, or kill all the arabs, or anything resembling extremist views. What he's stating are facts. Re-read the sentences one by one. They're the underpinnings of our society and they're no fun to hear, and most people don't even realize that they're there, but it's the reality of things.

mattmanser 13y ago
I'm not even vaguely interested in this discussion precisely because there are no facts in there, each point is an extreme interpretation of the world by someone who is clearly an anarchist. Pick any one paragraph and approach it from a devil's advocate, try and argue against it yourself. For every one a clear counter point should immediately jump to you mind or you need to do some serious and unbiased research into history, politics and sociology. That democratic governments are sued, that they do censure themselves, that politicians do resign in disgrace, that they are thrown out of power peacefully, that police officers are prosecuted for excessive force, that enquiries are done into police shootings, that many police forces fire less bullets in a year than a single gun enthusiast might in a week at the shooting range. You'll rapidly see how preposterous the whole rant is. He claims that he cannot renegotiate the power they grant to their government. But anyone in a democracy can become a politician and gain that power or a political activist and energise a base until the government starts negotiating. But it cannot be a person on their own. They must be able to convince many others. He just can't be bothered. So no facts or reality, just an extreme political opinion not discussing the article at all, which is precisely why these discussions aren't a good fit for a programming, tech and startup board. The post is very relevant, this thread, not.
- GuiA 13y ago
  You're not even trying. Maybe if you're "not even vaguely interested in [the] discussion", you shouldn't take part in it. Sure you can argue for or against the double edged sword that is government– and I'm sure most "reasonable people" would argue for it. But saying that the basic tenets that oleganza wrote about are wrong is patently lying to yourself. If you don't pay your taxes, don't agree with a court's verdict, don't pay a fine that you got– guess what, ultimately things will be resolved by holding you against your will in a little concrete cell, and if you try to get out of it, violence will be used against you. > But anyone in a democracy can become a politician and gain that power or a political activist Have you been following the news recently? Do you see what happens to activists? As for the argument "anyone can become politician and have power", I find staring at the pictures on this page to be pretty self-explanatory wrt that argument: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_Senators https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_... You can dismiss it all if you want, but you're only fooling yourself.

by GuiA 13y ago

mattmanser 13y ago

I'm not even vaguely interested in this discussion precisely because there are no facts in there, each point is an extreme interpretation of the world by someone who is clearly an anarchist. Pick any one paragraph and approach it from a devil's advocate, try and argue against it yourself. For every one a clear counter point should immediately jump to you mind or you need to do some serious and unbiased research into history, politics and sociology. That democratic governments are sued, that they do censure themselves, that politicians do resign in disgrace, that they are thrown out of power peacefully, that police officers are prosecuted for excessive force, that enquiries are done into police shootings, that many police forces fire less bullets in a year than a single gun enthusiast might in a week at the shooting range. You'll rapidly see how preposterous the whole rant is. He claims that he cannot renegotiate the power they grant to their government. But anyone in a democracy can become a politician and gain that power or a political activist and energise a base until the government starts negotiating. But it cannot be a person on their own. They must be able to convince many others. He just can't be bothered. So no facts or reality, just an extreme political opinion not discussing the article at all, which is precisely why these discussions aren't a good fit for a programming, tech and startup board. The post is very relevant, this thread, not.

GuiA 13y ago
You're not even trying. Maybe if you're "not even vaguely interested in [the] discussion", you shouldn't take part in it. Sure you can argue for or against the double edged sword that is government– and I'm sure most "reasonable people" would argue for it. But saying that the basic tenets that oleganza wrote about are wrong is patently lying to yourself. If you don't pay your taxes, don't agree with a court's verdict, don't pay a fine that you got– guess what, ultimately things will be resolved by holding you against your will in a little concrete cell, and if you try to get out of it, violence will be used against you. > But anyone in a democracy can become a politician and gain that power or a political activist Have you been following the news recently? Do you see what happens to activists? As for the argument "anyone can become politician and have power", I find staring at the pictures on this page to be pretty self-explanatory wrt that argument: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_Senators https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_... You can dismiss it all if you want, but you're only fooling yourself.