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>Old Europe to become Bold Europe. The country most likely to lead any such move would be Germany; Germans are today extremely well-inoculated against disingen

by pcrh 13y ago

>Old Europe to become Bold Europe. The country most likely to lead any such move would be Germany; Germans are today extremely well-inoculated against disingenuous reassurances by governments.

1337biz 13y ago
Putting Germany and bold in a sentence seems still to go down badly across many European nations. Some might even suggest that (the/a) purpose of the European idea was to keep a reunified Germany from going bold again.
- claudius 13y ago
  That worked rather, uh, well: http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2011/11/polands-appeal-germany http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2011/11/pol... On the other hand, it works relatively well if you only consider going to war against each other within Europe, which definitely was the main concern in the 1950s. How peaceful this united Europe is towards other countries is another question altogether – again resorting to history does not necessarily offer hope.
- pcrh 13y ago
  I was thinking more along the lines of the relationship between Google streetview and Germany [1]. I feel (albeit without evidence) that German citizens are more likely than those of the other major EU countries to pressure their government and the EU parliament to introduce legislation that would forbid the storage and mining of private communications prior to any warrants being issued. [1]http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/germanys-complicated-relationship-with-google-street-view/ http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/germanys-complicate...
- Dewie 13y ago
  What, really? Is there really a tangible fear that Germany would blow up in everyones faces again, still today?
  - pcrh 13y ago
    The EU has a non-zero risk of fracturing. Consider for example the anti-German sentiment that was widespread in Greece at the height of their recent financial crisis.
  - nhaehnle 13y ago
    Some would say that it has already happened. Germany's behavior of pushing austerity everywhere and depressing German wages has played and still plays a significant role in causing and prolonging the economic depression that a number of countries in the south of the Eurozone are currently in. It's not in-your-face as a war is, but does that really matter for the people who suffer from it?

by pcrh 13y ago

>Old Europe to become Bold Europe. The country most likely to lead any such move would be Germany; Germans are today extremely well-inoculated against disingenuous reassurances by governments.

1337biz 13y ago

Putting Germany and bold in a sentence seems still to go down badly across many European nations. Some might even suggest that (the/a) purpose of the European idea was to keep a reunified Germany from going bold again.

claudius 13y ago
That worked rather, uh, well: http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2011/11/polands-appeal-germany http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2011/11/pol... On the other hand, it works relatively well if you only consider going to war against each other within Europe, which definitely was the main concern in the 1950s. How peaceful this united Europe is towards other countries is another question altogether – again resorting to history does not necessarily offer hope.
pcrh 13y ago
I was thinking more along the lines of the relationship between Google streetview and Germany [1]. I feel (albeit without evidence) that German citizens are more likely than those of the other major EU countries to pressure their government and the EU parliament to introduce legislation that would forbid the storage and mining of private communications prior to any warrants being issued. [1]http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/germanys-complicated-relationship-with-google-street-view/ http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/germanys-complicate...
Dewie 13y ago
What, really? Is there really a tangible fear that Germany would blow up in everyones faces again, still today?
- pcrh 13y ago
  The EU has a non-zero risk of fracturing. Consider for example the anti-German sentiment that was widespread in Greece at the height of their recent financial crisis.
- nhaehnle 13y ago
  Some would say that it has already happened. Germany's behavior of pushing austerity everywhere and depressing German wages has played and still plays a significant role in causing and prolonging the economic depression that a number of countries in the south of the Eurozone are currently in. It's not in-your-face as a war is, but does that really matter for the people who suffer from it?