To counter, I worked at a small web hosting company between 2007 and 2010 who were responsbile for creating Europe's first cloud computing infrastructure and th

To counter, I worked at a small web hosting company between 2007 and 2010 who were responsbile for creating Europe's first cloud computing infrastructure and the worlds second, according to them at least. They had about 9 sysadmins go through their doors, a maximum of 7 at any one time with a max of 4 coders. Of those system guys I'd hazard a guess that around 50% of them couldn't code at all and only really two could get anything beyond procedural scripting, if that. Not to disrespect these guys because some of them were between good and really good at what they did do, but there were also decisions such as to rely on expensive SANs and proprietary software to tackle issues that could have been and later were replaced by internal code because, in my opinion, these guys were unable to comprehend automation on a scale that a developer could unless they already knew of software available to do such a thing. After that I worked for a massive hosting company with much more segregation of departments and as far as I'm aware operations didn't code despite the deparment being a lot larger than the previous company. It's funny because back then I was arguing with both these companies that operations should be driven from an automation stand point utilising devs skills but it wasn't exactly a great point since I was the only developer on staff for much of that time in the first company and the second wasn't interested at all. For the record, I'd like to be a devops but I'm pretty sure I get shut down from those roles from a percieved lack of operations experience and buzzwords. Much of that because I'm actually honest and my experience of sysadmins are that they were gatekeepers unwilling to so much as let me login to some of their systems. Meh. I'm sure theres a lot of sysadmins out there who a very capable software developers but I think it's a stretch attempting to call often simple configuration languages and extremely short glue scripts programming. But hey, as long as you're adding value, who cares what we're calling it.