> We know from history that when welfare is entirely down to charity we get a shortfall, a growing underclass, mass criminality, workhouses, inescapable poverty

> We know from history that when welfare is entirely down to charity we get a shortfall, a growing underclass, mass criminality, workhouses, inescapable poverty etc etc. This is not supported by history, in fact you can correlate mass criminality in the US to the start of the mass welfare state of the great society. Crime was much lower during the great depression when there really was a large underclass, and there were far fewer safety nets. There are dozens of poor third world countries that can't afford welfare programs that are far safer than the US.