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It's also worth pointing out that social mobility in the US is very low.[1]The single greatest predictor to your future wealth is your parent's wealth, which ob

It's also worth pointing out that social mobility in the US is very low.[1]The single greatest predictor to your future wealth is your parent's wealth, which obviously you had nothing to do with. 1) http://understandingsociety.blogspot.com/2009/08/social-mobility.html http://understandingsociety.blogspot.com/2009/08/social-mobi...

HeyLaughingBoy 13y ago
As the middle-class son of an uneducated single mother who didn't get a high-school diploma until after I did, I'm having a little trouble buying that...
- sherr 13y ago
  There actually seems to be quite a lot of evidence for the US having a low social mobility. I recall some articles a while back in The Economist about it [1][2], something that surprised me a few years ago. Not any more. It doesn't take long to find many reports detailing this. [1] http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571417-how-prevent-virtuous-meritocracy-entrenching-itself-top-repairing-rungs http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571417-how-prevent-v... [2] http://www.economist.com/node/21571399 http://www.economist.com/node/21571399
- justin66 13y ago
  The data exist whether you "buy" them or not. Social mobility in the US is somewhat crap as of late. It's been widely reported. Your comment is indicative of a lot of our problems with political discourse. You must be smart enough to understand that your experience as an individual isn't necessarily representative of everyone as a whole, or everyone who grew up in your situation. So why did you even make the comment? Because accepting the data might lead you to a place politically that you aren't ready to go? Accepting it might conflict with some portion of your worldview? You believe nothing that is widely reported is true? Just genuinely contrariness?
- crucifiction 13y ago
  You should use some of your middle class income to take some courses in probability and statistics.
- llamataboot 13y ago
  The plural of anecdote is not data. Just search "social mobility OECD". Could probably even use I'm feeling lucky or ducky, if you've made the switch to DDG.
- nknighthb 13y ago
  As the upper-middle-class (for the area I now live in) son of a single mother whose serious health problems prevented her from finishing college, I spent a good chunk of my childhood on food stamps. I was even on medicaid for a while when I turned 18 and child support and my father's insurance stopped. The only reason I now own my own home, have good insurance, and don't worry about money is because when I was 19, a hiring manager 600 miles away who knew me from web forums took a chance. I had just enough cash for a plane ticket. I walked into an office in Santa Clara one Spring morning and got handed the keys to the kingdom. Fifteen months later the company imploded and I had two offers from four interviews, all arranged by further connections I'd made on the job. Logically, that never should have happened. I had no formal qualifications, not even a diploma, and no documented experience. I don't think they even bothered with the standard background check, and I know they never checked my references (which were real but borderline worthless). I made the right connection at the right time. I got lucky. If I hadn't, I'm not entirely sure I'd actually be alive right now, but I would definitely at least be several years behind where I am now. Everyone has different experiences. You can't assume yours is ordinary, nor that what worked for you would have worked for anyone else.

HeyLaughingBoy 13y ago

As the middle-class son of an uneducated single mother who didn't get a high-school diploma until after I did, I'm having a little trouble buying that...

sherr 13y ago
There actually seems to be quite a lot of evidence for the US having a low social mobility. I recall some articles a while back in The Economist about it [1][2], something that surprised me a few years ago. Not any more. It doesn't take long to find many reports detailing this. [1] http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571417-how-prevent-virtuous-meritocracy-entrenching-itself-top-repairing-rungs http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571417-how-prevent-v... [2] http://www.economist.com/node/21571399 http://www.economist.com/node/21571399
justin66 13y ago
The data exist whether you "buy" them or not. Social mobility in the US is somewhat crap as of late. It's been widely reported. Your comment is indicative of a lot of our problems with political discourse. You must be smart enough to understand that your experience as an individual isn't necessarily representative of everyone as a whole, or everyone who grew up in your situation. So why did you even make the comment? Because accepting the data might lead you to a place politically that you aren't ready to go? Accepting it might conflict with some portion of your worldview? You believe nothing that is widely reported is true? Just genuinely contrariness?
crucifiction 13y ago
You should use some of your middle class income to take some courses in probability and statistics.
llamataboot 13y ago
The plural of anecdote is not data. Just search "social mobility OECD". Could probably even use I'm feeling lucky or ducky, if you've made the switch to DDG.
nknighthb 13y ago
As the upper-middle-class (for the area I now live in) son of a single mother whose serious health problems prevented her from finishing college, I spent a good chunk of my childhood on food stamps. I was even on medicaid for a while when I turned 18 and child support and my father's insurance stopped. The only reason I now own my own home, have good insurance, and don't worry about money is because when I was 19, a hiring manager 600 miles away who knew me from web forums took a chance. I had just enough cash for a plane ticket. I walked into an office in Santa Clara one Spring morning and got handed the keys to the kingdom. Fifteen months later the company imploded and I had two offers from four interviews, all arranged by further connections I'd made on the job. Logically, that never should have happened. I had no formal qualifications, not even a diploma, and no documented experience. I don't think they even bothered with the standard background check, and I know they never checked my references (which were real but borderline worthless). I made the right connection at the right time. I got lucky. If I hadn't, I'm not entirely sure I'd actually be alive right now, but I would definitely at least be several years behind where I am now. Everyone has different experiences. You can't assume yours is ordinary, nor that what worked for you would have worked for anyone else.