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Thanks! Glad to hear you like the offer. Unfortunately we don't have a English or German site yet. But we do plan to launch our English site later this year. I

by jgabor 13y ago

Thanks! Glad to hear you like the offer. Unfortunately we don't have a English or German site yet. But we do plan to launch our English site later this year. I hope we'll see you then! :) /Jonathan Gabor, Product Manager at Cloud Royale

egeozcan 13y ago
This is great. Do you have a waiting list so that we get informed when you start allowing international registrations?
- jgabor 13y ago
  We just put one up! You can find it here: https://cloudroyale.se/sorry.php https://cloudroyale.se/sorry.php
ForFreedom 13y ago
What difference does it make if the user is outside Sweden?
- toyg 13y ago
  You have to deal with taxation. As a minimum, for EU customers they'd have to extend the same VAT arrangements they give to Swedes, whereas any non-EU customer would get different tariffs, and you have to make sure it's all accounted properly. Then they'd have to look at other laws and regulations for cross-border businesses, and would likely have to pay higher premiums for their insurance against lawsuits for hosting "bad" content. Also they'd need a lawyer who understands all this, rather than your average small-time small-biz paper monkey. EDIT: and of course, you have to support international payments through VISA or equivalent on your website, which is a pain in itself.
  - ForFreedom 13y ago
    From what I understand, if the server is in Sweden the laws of Sweden are followed. For the EU taxation there is no tax if the customer is outside EU, this can be resolved by CC address. How are the payments going through now, is it not CC?
    - toyg 13y ago
      >For the EU taxation there is no tax if the customer is outside EU, this can be resolved by CC address. Yeah, what I'm saying is that their payment processor must then understand three different categories of customers (Swedish, EU, non-EU). You'd be surprised how many small operations struggle to just put in place a decent payment/accounting platform ("It's just a few sums, I'll code it in an afternoon, no need to buy $expensiveButComprehensiveAccountingSoftware !"...). And of course, currency conversion between Kroner and €, £, $... You'd also be surprised by how many regulations we have in Europe covering money transfers -- internal credit cards, external credit cards (yes, often they're different things), debit cards, prepaid cards, all regulated by laws that vary State by State, and all handled by banks through byzantine merchant contracts. I'm not 100% familiar with the Swedish system, but I do see the difficulties in handling foreign payments.
scotthtaylor 13y ago
Why put this on HN if there is no English version?
- nicholassmith 13y ago
  I'd assume because Hacker News is pretty geographically diverse.
SingAlong 13y ago
Out of curiosity, what does the "tim" in "0.18 kr/tim" translate to in English? I'm just trying to calculate how much it amounts to per month.
- spaam 13y ago
  hour. "tim" is short for "timme".
- KimJongLil 13y ago
  0.18 kr == 0.03 USD ~ 22 USD per month
- anderspetersson 13y ago
  hour == timme tim is short for timme.
- hising 13y ago
  It is price per hour in SEK. 0.18 SEK per hour is 129 SEK per month, which translates to ~ $19 per month in USD with the current exchange rate (according to '129,6 sek to usd' in Google)
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by jgabor 13y ago

egeozcan 13y ago

This is great. Do you have a waiting list so that we get informed when you start allowing international registrations?

jgabor 13y ago
We just put one up! You can find it here: https://cloudroyale.se/sorry.php https://cloudroyale.se/sorry.php

ForFreedom 13y ago

What difference does it make if the user is outside Sweden?

toyg 13y ago
You have to deal with taxation. As a minimum, for EU customers they'd have to extend the same VAT arrangements they give to Swedes, whereas any non-EU customer would get different tariffs, and you have to make sure it's all accounted properly. Then they'd have to look at other laws and regulations for cross-border businesses, and would likely have to pay higher premiums for their insurance against lawsuits for hosting "bad" content. Also they'd need a lawyer who understands all this, rather than your average small-time small-biz paper monkey. EDIT: and of course, you have to support international payments through VISA or equivalent on your website, which is a pain in itself.
- ForFreedom 13y ago
  From what I understand, if the server is in Sweden the laws of Sweden are followed. For the EU taxation there is no tax if the customer is outside EU, this can be resolved by CC address. How are the payments going through now, is it not CC?
  - toyg 13y ago
    >For the EU taxation there is no tax if the customer is outside EU, this can be resolved by CC address. Yeah, what I'm saying is that their payment processor must then understand three different categories of customers (Swedish, EU, non-EU). You'd be surprised how many small operations struggle to just put in place a decent payment/accounting platform ("It's just a few sums, I'll code it in an afternoon, no need to buy $expensiveButComprehensiveAccountingSoftware !"...). And of course, currency conversion between Kroner and €, £, $... You'd also be surprised by how many regulations we have in Europe covering money transfers -- internal credit cards, external credit cards (yes, often they're different things), debit cards, prepaid cards, all regulated by laws that vary State by State, and all handled by banks through byzantine merchant contracts. I'm not 100% familiar with the Swedish system, but I do see the difficulties in handling foreign payments.

scotthtaylor 13y ago

Why put this on HN if there is no English version?

nicholassmith 13y ago
I'd assume because Hacker News is pretty geographically diverse.

SingAlong 13y ago

Out of curiosity, what does the "tim" in "0.18 kr/tim" translate to in English? I'm just trying to calculate how much it amounts to per month.

spaam 13y ago
hour. "tim" is short for "timme".
KimJongLil 13y ago
0.18 kr == 0.03 USD ~ 22 USD per month
anderspetersson 13y ago
hour == timme tim is short for timme.
hising 13y ago
It is price per hour in SEK. 0.18 SEK per hour is 129 SEK per month, which translates to ~ $19 per month in USD with the current exchange rate (according to '129,6 sek to usd' in Google)

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