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People are really starting to wake up, I think this stuff is finally working.

bherms 13y ago
I wouldn't go that far yet... Signing an online petition is about the least you could possibly do, aside from nothing. If we want real change, we need major protests, people to flood Congress with calls & letters, and more. That being said, I think people are starting to do those other things, but major policy change won't come from an email on a petition.
- jdp23 13y ago
  That's the exciting thing about Restore the Fourth: real-world protests as well as online. We'll see how big tomorrow is, but in any case there will be a lot to build on.
  - bherms 13y ago
    Yeah, I'm pretty excited to see how it turns out. I hope everything remains peaceful and nobody gets hurt.
- ChrisAntaki 13y ago
  This could be a (fun) major protest -> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/07/july-4-show-your-support-fourth-amendment https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/07/july-4-show-your-suppo...
orthecreedence 13y ago
Don't underestimate the US population's apathy. Until something directly affects us (as in, costs me money, or keeps me from angrily driving an SUV around, or keeps me from buying tons of crap I don't need) it's very difficult to enact change. That said, I'm still going to the RestoreThe4th protests tomorrow. I believe in what this country used to stand for, and it's worth the fight to get it back, even if the rest of the country drowns in lethargy.
- ChrisAntaki 13y ago
  The NSA spying directly affects us. It allows groups with a history of blackmail to save & index any non face-to-face communications.
  - bulatb 13y ago
    Which is still a theoretical concern until it's actually used against you.
- cjambassador318 13y ago
  I totally agree. It's tough being so intelligent and free-thinking. Most people are just ignorant sheeple, but not us here on HN and reddit.
  - ChrisAntaki 13y ago
    It's certainly easier to be ignorant. Ignorance is bliss, right?
- medde 13y ago
  Do you know how much all those secret spying programs cost?
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I wouldn't go that far yet... Signing an online petition is about the least you could possibly do, aside from nothing. If we want real change, we need major protests, people to flood Congress with calls & letters, and more. That being said, I think people are starting to do those other things, but major policy change won't come from an email on a petition.

jdp23 13y ago
That's the exciting thing about Restore the Fourth: real-world protests as well as online. We'll see how big tomorrow is, but in any case there will be a lot to build on.
- bherms 13y ago
  Yeah, I'm pretty excited to see how it turns out. I hope everything remains peaceful and nobody gets hurt.
ChrisAntaki 13y ago
This could be a (fun) major protest -> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/07/july-4-show-your-support-fourth-amendment https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/07/july-4-show-your-suppo...

orthecreedence 13y ago

Don't underestimate the US population's apathy. Until something directly affects us (as in, costs me money, or keeps me from angrily driving an SUV around, or keeps me from buying tons of crap I don't need) it's very difficult to enact change. That said, I'm still going to the RestoreThe4th protests tomorrow. I believe in what this country used to stand for, and it's worth the fight to get it back, even if the rest of the country drowns in lethargy.

ChrisAntaki 13y ago
The NSA spying directly affects us. It allows groups with a history of blackmail to save & index any non face-to-face communications.
- bulatb 13y ago
  Which is still a theoretical concern until it's actually used against you.
cjambassador318 13y ago
I totally agree. It's tough being so intelligent and free-thinking. Most people are just ignorant sheeple, but not us here on HN and reddit.
- ChrisAntaki 13y ago
  It's certainly easier to be ignorant. Ignorance is bliss, right?
medde 13y ago
Do you know how much all those secret spying programs cost?

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