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> But I also don't see the logic in banning Americans wholesale. Let me quote myself from above, perhaps it becomes clearer in isolation: "The point is: The US
by HSO 13y ago
> But I also don't see the logic in banning Americans wholesale.
Let me quote myself from above, perhaps it becomes clearer in isolation: "The point is: The US electorate and businesses are either pro surveilling the whole world, even their own allies, or they are lethargic and indifferent. If the former, we should draw the consequence and stop having contact and exchanges with them. If the latter, we should increase the cost of doing nothing."
(My guess, by the way, is on "lethargic and indifferent".)
> If this were in effect and I got on a plane to go some EU nation, what have I done that makes me a direct threat to that country's population? Is it assumed that I'm going to go around stealing people's mail and shooting people in the streets? How am I, personally, a greater threat to a European citizen's freedom than their own government, or even the government next door?
Now this just illustrates beautifully my point! Exactly this is the question I am asking myself: Why are you (i.e. your government) treating me as an enemy? Reading my emails? Listening to my phone calls? Who knows what else? And LOGGING IT for the future?! what have I done that makes me a direct threat to the US population? [...] See, i've never spied on anyone, tortured anyone, or killed anyone and I couldn't care less about US secrets.
- krapp 13y agoMy guess, by the way, is on "lethargic and indifferent" Indifferent, probably. So I'd suggest this... focus on the companies and not the people. Because the American government doesn't listen to the voters, but it most certainly will listen to a multinational corporation willing to pull a billion dollars out of a Congressman's district because they no longer trust or are able to do business with the United States. Europeans should get out and protest around wherever the Google offices are in their country. Raise (a reasonable and non-lethal amount of) hell whenever the American president or some dignitary shows up. European governments can annoy us with regulations. There are a hundred different things that Europeans and their governments could be doing but aren't, that would get the point across.