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Thomas, have you ever done work for the NSA?
by auston 13y ago
Thomas, have you ever done work for the NSA?
- tptacek 13y agoDon't be a tool.
- auston 13y agoI'm not trying to be, I'm simply trying to gain an understanding of whether your statements may come from a place of bias. I am sorry if it came off offensive.
- inafield 13y agoEven if his comments were as an NSA employee, the comments still stand. And it's really not that hard to look up a user's profile to see where they work if they put that sort of information there.
- wavefunction 13y agoIt wasn't your question that was offensive, but his rude response.
- tptacek 13y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5992358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5992358
- foobarbazqux 13y ago> You too can go fuck yourself. You know, a lot of people here look up to you. When you write stuff like that it has a lot more influence than when some newbie account does. I would probably say that the influence is negative, assuming HN is a thing that you care about. After submitting I see that you changed your post. The link is not much better. > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5992358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5992358 > I'm glad you approve. No, wait, I don't give a shit. So someone asked if you've done work for the NSA. Who cares? Clearly you have the ability, it's not the most offensive thing in the world even if it's a bit naive. The person doesn't necessarily know that it's totally against your values, assuming that this is the source of the offense.
- tptacek 13y agoGood. I think this place would be better if we all had a more appropriate level of contempt for comments accusing people of being shills. I'm not offended at someone suggesting I might have worked for NSA. You still don't get it. (I changed the parent not because I'm uncomfortable with it, but because I wrote it before I saw the comment below that I ended up replying to; either "go fuck yourself" or the response I wrote downthread work for me, but both together seemed pointless).
- foobarbazqux 13y agoYou're offended because of the suggestion that your comment about the extent of free speech we have with respect to protesting the NSA might be motivated by your own previous work experience with the NSA. Even if true, I wouldn't say this indicated you were a shill, because shills are generally paid to push propaganda. People are naturally biased by their experiences in positive or negative ways. You made what could be construed as a pro-NSA comment in an environment dominated by anti-NSA sentiment, and somebody made an assumption that maybe you had a good experience working at the NSA and wanted to clarify it. For what it's worth, it never occurred to me that you were a shill or a former employee, the suggestion is absurd and totally out of left-field.
- tptacek 13y agoLook at the comment at the root of this thread that kicked it off. No, that commenter did not infer that maybe I had an interesting experience at NSA that I wanted to share. My comment had nothing whatsoever to do with NSA. It's pretty clear what that commenter was trying to say. They can go fuck theirself. Respectfully, not because I'm fed up talking about this but because I don't want to be one of those threads where 'pg has to comment and say "will you guys please stop", I'm going to leave it at that.
- foobarbazqux 13y agoYeah alright, take care.
- angersock 13y agoWell, yes, no, or no comment? I recall you checking me on a similar point once upon a time. Edit: for what it's worth, I agree with your observation that things aren't as bad as, say, they were with the Pinkertons breaking strikes up.
- JoachimSchipper 13y agoProbably not: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4768008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4768008. Still, don't be a tool.
- angersock 13y agoInteresting advice. As for being a tool, well, it wasn't an awful question. For what it's worth I never worked with them either.
- tptacek 13y agoIt is an awful question. It assumes bad faith on the part of the commenter. It's extraordinarily rude.
- wavefunction 13y agoResponding like this is preferable to calling someone else a tool.
- tptacek 13y agoI'm glad you approve. No, wait, I don't give a shit. HN has too much tolerance for this 1000% totally bogus intellectually insulting rhetorical tactic. It demeans everyone. The people writing these idiotic "you must be a shill for {Microsoft,Mozilla,NSA}" comments think they're clever, but what they're really saying is "not only do I not understand what the Fundamental Attribution Error is, but I can't even comprehend the idea of someone disagreeing with me or even presenting a fact or idea that challenges my preconceptions; no, it's much more likely that this is a bad faith comment than that I don't know everything there is to know about every topic". And then other people cheer them on! There is no online community anywhere on the Internet less capable of spotting a shill than Hacker News. Any competent shill could immediately see how to game the site.
- e3pi 13y agoDo be a tool. Today at noon, I hope to see tptacek-class crypto experts at our Seattle Westlake Mall, I hope to see some crypto hackavists providing popular personal security advice and tools.