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Or just get safe travel through Russia to China and take a large passenger aircraft from China to South America since they can make they flight direct.

rdl 13y ago
Actually that is a longer distance, due to great cirle! http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=HKG&to=CCS http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=HKG&to=CCS 16354 km http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=PVG&to=CCS http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=PVG&to=CCS 15279 km http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=SVO&to=CCS http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=SVO&to=CCS 9908 km http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=VVO&to=CCS http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=VVO&to=CCS 13705 km http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=LED&to=CCS http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=LED&to=CCS 9391 km I estimate the deviation on SVO-CCS to avoid UK would be about 2000 km, tops. "Direct", in an airline sense, is not meaningful -- that just means it doesn't change plane enroute. Direct flights can still make technical (refueling) stops, or take on passengers (e.g. Caracas to Damascus to Tehran was in fact direct Caracas to Tehran service.) "Non-stop" means it doesn't land. "Does not overfly a US ally" is complicated, ex-China too, due to the first and second island chain problem (if Portugal will deny overflight, I'm sure Japan would too...) Direct flights from Asia to South America have historically had a stop in the US, so every passenger needed a US transit visa ($130 and hard, if not from a visa waiver country). So, they've largely been discontinued. Tokyo to Tijuana sort of happens, but still overflies US territory, so they need to report passengers to the US under APIS. And Mexico is both in North America and closely tied to the US, so it's a non-starter for Snowden. The only direct flights which don't touch the US are Shanghai-Madrid-Sao Paolo, and on Emirates, Shanghai - Dubai - Sao Paolo. The former is obviously out, and the latter I think transits enough US allies (plus, UAE itself) to not work.
- rdl 13y ago
  There are flights via Australia and New Zealand as well, particularly to Chile, but those also don't help except for people with US visa issues.

rdl 13y ago

Actually that is a longer distance, due to great cirle! http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=HKG&to=CCS http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=HKG&to=CCS 16354 km http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=PVG&to=CCS http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=PVG&to=CCS 15279 km http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=SVO&to=CCS http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=SVO&to=CCS 9908 km http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=VVO&to=CCS http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=VVO&to=CCS 13705 km http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=LED&to=CCS http://www.aircalculator.com/flightplan.php?from=LED&to=CCS 9391 km I estimate the deviation on SVO-CCS to avoid UK would be about 2000 km, tops. "Direct", in an airline sense, is not meaningful -- that just means it doesn't change plane enroute. Direct flights can still make technical (refueling) stops, or take on passengers (e.g. Caracas to Damascus to Tehran was in fact direct Caracas to Tehran service.) "Non-stop" means it doesn't land. "Does not overfly a US ally" is complicated, ex-China too, due to the first and second island chain problem (if Portugal will deny overflight, I'm sure Japan would too...) Direct flights from Asia to South America have historically had a stop in the US, so every passenger needed a US transit visa ($130 and hard, if not from a visa waiver country). So, they've largely been discontinued. Tokyo to Tijuana sort of happens, but still overflies US territory, so they need to report passengers to the US under APIS. And Mexico is both in North America and closely tied to the US, so it's a non-starter for Snowden. The only direct flights which don't touch the US are Shanghai-Madrid-Sao Paolo, and on Emirates, Shanghai - Dubai - Sao Paolo. The former is obviously out, and the latter I think transits enough US allies (plus, UAE itself) to not work.

rdl 13y ago
There are flights via Australia and New Zealand as well, particularly to Chile, but those also don't help except for people with US visa issues.