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Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night

143 points by sanbor 13y ago

kragen 13y ago
Did I get it right in the part where she's talking about "thousands of years of civilization"?
- coldtea 13y ago
  Yes. It's because of his being a leader of such a country with an old heritage (and of such origin) -- it's a reference to the (supposed) wisdom and patience that comes with that.
- rafaelm 13y ago
  She means that Evo is acting much more civilized than she we would have in the same situation. He asks her how she is doing before she does, so she thinks that he is acting very calm about the whole thing.
- pvarangot 13y ago
  Yes, she is definitely playing with the fact that Evo is acting very calmly and being polite with her despite the situation, and at the same time making a reference to his aymaran descent. Cristina is not known for being frugal in speech nor calm when in adverse situations.
  - narrator 13y ago
    I have spent a lot of time in Argentina. Argentinian people are very into being cute and intimate, even with people they don't know that well. There is a refreshing lack of excessive seriousness in that culture. If you know Spanish and have seen Kirschner speak she almost comes off as a goofball the way she cracks jokes and makes "cute" references to things, but it's really just a reflection of Argentine culture more than anything else.
    - rld 13y ago
      Argentine here, CFK's way of speaking is a reflection of insanity, not Argentine culture. True, we take many things lightly but CFK goes way over the top, especially for a President. In any case, the deep-rooted corruption of her administration (and practically all others decades before it) is a symbol of Argentine culture.
    - JVIDEL 13y ago
      I wouldn't call her chicken dance in Angola "cute", more like deranged Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_dVvgdiiUU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_dVvgdiiUU
SomeRandomUser 13y ago
Regarding the wording used, "buddy" is an affective way of referring to one another between left-oriented political movements here. Extremely common in peronism but also used in several other countries from South America. > He has the advantage of thousands of years of civilization over me. [Not sure I understood that sentence correctly.] It refers to the bolivian/peruvian aboriginal culture from which Morales' is considered a representative so the translation is correct. It's just a political compliment, nothing more than that.
- kragen 13y ago
  Thanks! I thought that might be what she meant, but I wasn't sure. I'm not really sure if "buddy" is a good translation of "compañer@", but it seemed about right. "Comrade" might be an equally good translation if you wanted to prejudice people in the US against her.
  - nandemo 13y ago
    "Buddy" sounds really silly. "Comrade" is closer, but at least in Portuguese that would be "camarada", which carries a rather old-style socialist nuance, not "companheiro". "Fellow", "brother" or even "mate" sound better in this context.
    - JVIDEL 13y ago
      Indeed the word is "companero", but its not as formal as comrade which also exists as "camarada", in this context its actually more like partner (in a professional sense) but not as informal as brother or pal in english. Peron put that word en vogue around here.
krelian 13y ago
>This is a reference to the President's years-long struggle against preventative injunctions put in place by Argentine courts against her efforts to break up the big Argentine media trusts that are her strongest local political enemies. The preventative injunction are in place to put the measures on hold while the court decides if the made-to-order laws she comes up with twice a week are constitutional or not. For those unfamiliar with Argentinian politics: don't be too impressed with Mrs Kirchner. This Us vs Them is her bread and butter and a perfect opportunity for her to leverage for some cheap points. She's not really that communicative in real life. To put it in perspective, if Mrs. Kirchner was in Obama's spot right now facing spying accusation her response to the reports would be to totally ignore them and instruct her subordinates to mention that Snowden is a liar, all the documents are forged and everything is a plot by the enemies of the American people.
- kragen 13y ago
  ...as you can see, Argentine politics are somewhat polarized.
  - estebank 13y ago
    As a political satirist has said about argentinian politics: "You can neither explain it or understand it, you just endure it." — Enrique Pinti, Pingo Argentino
- coldtea 13y ago
  >The preventative injunction are in place to put the measures on hold while the court decides if the made-to-order laws she comes up with twice a week are constitutional or not. We had a similar case in my country (a politician trying to break large media empires). Nothing worse than media conglomerates belonging to powerful corporations. They control politics AND public perception -- and the use them to funnel resources, contracts and deals in their favour. Thing Google or Facebook is "the big brother"? Well, imagine those also having several large banks, Apple, newspapers, internet news outlets and several TV channels on their disposal. Well, it seems they have some leverage with the courts in Argentina too. >For those unfamiliar with Argentinian politics: don't be too impressed with Mrs Kirchner. This Us vs Them is her bread and butter and a perfect opportunity for her to leverage for some cheap points. Well, if you are in an Latin American country, as history has shown, it's mostly "us vs them". The name "banana republic" did not came about because there weren't enough foreign interests.
jschuur 13y ago
Seems like this content would have been a great fit for http://storify.com http://storify.com.
mr_luc 13y ago
I've said it since early in Correa's campaign, and I'll say it again: that guy is a really special politician. He's his country's Bismark, but he's done it all democratically. I've been living down here 9 months per year for the last 7 years and it's been an interesting time. Check out his Enlace Ciudadanos on their youtube channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/PresidenciaEc http://www.youtube.com/user/PresidenciaEc and you'll see how he goes way beyond the stump speech. He's spending 2 or 3 hours every week personally articulating the government's policy at the town-hall level. Yeah, like every politician everywhere who wants to consolidate support, he uses the US as a punching bag. And the one genuinely messed-up thing he's done are his media laws, which make it hard for any large independent media companies to flourish. But he's no Hugo Chavez. He's too smart, and too good of a politician, to need to be.
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- muyuu 13y ago
  Yep, I used to think he was just another regional populist, but he really is not. He's something else entirely.
  - GFischer 13y ago
    Goes to show... I had branded him as another populist too, but I haven't researched much. I'll have to look things up :)
- akiselev 13y ago
  Are there any blogs or column on Ecuadorian politics (in English) where we can read about Correa and the public's opinions of him?
- mr_luc 13y ago
  Just more detail: seriously, look at the video from one of those Enlace Ciudadano events, and then take any still frame of video, and try to make him look stupid. The worst you can say is that he might look a little too earnest. He just did one of these at the refinery right outside where I live (about 5 minutes away) - notice his entrance after the video intro, where he joins a folk music band in singing "Bonito Manabi" (name of the province). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VntkFqT7tQ4&feature=c4-overview&list=UUn2XiuAROvRcqscSI2Ni-6A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VntkFqT7tQ4&feature=c4-overvi... He's got world-class skills, so he's like a man among boys down here. I'm just worried about who's going to inherit the concentration of executive power that he's built up.
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dep_b 13y ago
This article should be flagged for containing Argentinean government propaganda.
- davidw 13y ago
  Welcome to the new HN. The rate of political stories after datagate broke has skyrocketed, and I don't think the genie will go quietly back in the bottle. You can downvote me all you want: I have a shitload of this useless karma stuff that I built up on the old HN.
  - coldtea 13y ago
    It's a social site. HN members find those stories relevant. Perhaps some people (including, you, I presume) don't care about surveillance, privacy, freedom of information and the like enough to want to highlight those issues on HN. They'd rather talk about Google buying some company, how someone learned Golang and Node.js all day. But I wouldn't call those people "hackers". Not in the traditional cultural sense.
    - davidw 13y ago
      I don't understand the mental processes that lead you and others to think that if I don't enjoy politics taking over this site, then I must not care about the issues in question. Another site I read often is www.cyclingnews.com - they have great coverage of professional bicycle racing, which I love to read about and watch. You know what, though? I find politics annoying there too. You know where I like to read about politics? The Economist is pretty good. www.corriere.it is pretty good for local stories. And there are other sources I read from time to time. This site is a great place to talk about startups and tech. There aren't many of those. There are approximately 343244329165 sites where people can have inane discussions about things like whether the US is really "exactly like China and Russia".
      - coldtea 13y ago
        >I don't understand the mental processes that lead you and others to think that if I don't enjoy politics taking over this site, then I must not care about the issues in question. It's a very simple process. People that like sites like this "segmented" and "pure" are mostly apolitical and don't care about the issues they want to expunge from them in the first place. I've seen such people in lots of other places. Hackers tend to be all over the place. They tend to appreciate tech, science, politics, philosophy, Star Wars, startups, what have you, and to want to discuss it at the same time. Kind of like PG discusses tons of things in his essays, not just tech or startups all the time. >You know where I like to read about politics? The Economist is pretty good. Not really the outlet for a hacker interested in politics, and especially the stuff we're discussing here. Actually, it's as far away from the traditional hacker culture as you can get -- and quite far from caring about privacy, surveillance, and the whole EFF spirit too. It's basically a status quo rag for rich folks and middle class wannabes.
wslh 13y ago
For people who don't know about Argentinian politics it's important to emphasize that Cristina Fernandez has her own NSA project: http://www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/newsfromargentina/security-minister-elaborates-on-project-x/ http://www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/newsfroma... Not only that, Cristina's Government anticipates Obama using the local IRS against the opposition and individuals speaking against the government in the press. Finally... a few days ago Assange said: "Argentina has most aggressive surveillance ‎system in Latin America" http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06/29/311375/assange-argentina-has-most-aggressive-surveillance-system-in-latin-america/ http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06/29/311375/assange-argen...
- Fargren 13y ago
  Well, that assertion by Assange is somewhat out of context. What he said is that of the medium sized Latin American countries, Argentina's surveillance was the most aggressive. He also said it was nothing compared with what's being done in the USA, the UK or China. So calling it "her own NSA" seems a bit disingenuous, at least from this perspective. Link to the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If7MbOvuEbg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If7MbOvuEbg
  - wslh 13y ago
    You can't compare the NSA with the Argentinian intelligence agencies because the countries are in a very different scale.
    - JVIDEL 13y ago
      Indeed, Argentina lacks the ability or manpower to launch a worldwide program like PRISM but it has more than enough to do similar things to its <40MM population. That and a set of laws that allow the government to make life a living hell to any dissidents: had Snowden been Argentine getting his passport cancelled would be the least of his problems.
- olvar 13y ago
  The reaction of different latin-american governments has nothing to do with the NSA scandal, but with the prohibition given to Evo morales to flight and leave Europe. In particular, she is not taking a stance regarding spying, but against the humiliation suffered by the president of a sovereign nation.
gadders 13y ago
Kirchner is a flake, and Argentina is in serious economic trouble, including faking their inflation figures. TBH I'm surprised she didn't mention the Falklands as well.
gailees 13y ago
What happens if the plane would have continued flying through airspace claiming its political immunity? WWIII?
hetman 13y ago
One could only hope these types of strong arm tactics against a diplomatic mission would lead to repercussions serious enough to make future incidents much less likely. However, since it seems there is nothing more to be gained by continuing to hold the plane, what will actually happen is that high ranking politicians in the involved countries will apologise profusely, claim this was done by some low ranking bureaucrat that will be appropriately disciplined (sounding familiar?), and everything will go back to normal since no one wants to risk major economic repercussions over a minor incident. I wonder if this could have a long term impact on how the South Americans view Europe ideologically though.
seppo0010 13y ago
I'm surprise not many people read her blog instead of her tweets stream. The full article (in Spanish) was published there http://www.cfkargentina.com/evo-morales-detenido-en-europa/ http://www.cfkargentina.com/evo-morales-detenido-en-europa/

143 points by sanbor 13y ago

kragen 13y ago

Did I get it right in the part where she's talking about "thousands of years of civilization"?

coldtea 13y ago
Yes. It's because of his being a leader of such a country with an old heritage (and of such origin) -- it's a reference to the (supposed) wisdom and patience that comes with that.
rafaelm 13y ago
She means that Evo is acting much more civilized than she we would have in the same situation. He asks her how she is doing before she does, so she thinks that he is acting very calm about the whole thing.
pvarangot 13y ago
Yes, she is definitely playing with the fact that Evo is acting very calmly and being polite with her despite the situation, and at the same time making a reference to his aymaran descent. Cristina is not known for being frugal in speech nor calm when in adverse situations.
- narrator 13y ago
  I have spent a lot of time in Argentina. Argentinian people are very into being cute and intimate, even with people they don't know that well. There is a refreshing lack of excessive seriousness in that culture. If you know Spanish and have seen Kirschner speak she almost comes off as a goofball the way she cracks jokes and makes "cute" references to things, but it's really just a reflection of Argentine culture more than anything else.
  - rld 13y ago
    Argentine here, CFK's way of speaking is a reflection of insanity, not Argentine culture. True, we take many things lightly but CFK goes way over the top, especially for a President. In any case, the deep-rooted corruption of her administration (and practically all others decades before it) is a symbol of Argentine culture.
  - JVIDEL 13y ago
    I wouldn't call her chicken dance in Angola "cute", more like deranged Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_dVvgdiiUU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_dVvgdiiUU

SomeRandomUser 13y ago

Regarding the wording used, "buddy" is an affective way of referring to one another between left-oriented political movements here. Extremely common in peronism but also used in several other countries from South America. > He has the advantage of thousands of years of civilization over me. [Not sure I understood that sentence correctly.] It refers to the bolivian/peruvian aboriginal culture from which Morales' is considered a representative so the translation is correct. It's just a political compliment, nothing more than that.

kragen 13y ago
Thanks! I thought that might be what she meant, but I wasn't sure. I'm not really sure if "buddy" is a good translation of "compañer@", but it seemed about right. "Comrade" might be an equally good translation if you wanted to prejudice people in the US against her.
- nandemo 13y ago
  "Buddy" sounds really silly. "Comrade" is closer, but at least in Portuguese that would be "camarada", which carries a rather old-style socialist nuance, not "companheiro". "Fellow", "brother" or even "mate" sound better in this context.
  - JVIDEL 13y ago
    Indeed the word is "companero", but its not as formal as comrade which also exists as "camarada", in this context its actually more like partner (in a professional sense) but not as informal as brother or pal in english. Peron put that word en vogue around here.

krelian 13y ago

>This is a reference to the President's years-long struggle against preventative injunctions put in place by Argentine courts against her efforts to break up the big Argentine media trusts that are her strongest local political enemies. The preventative injunction are in place to put the measures on hold while the court decides if the made-to-order laws she comes up with twice a week are constitutional or not. For those unfamiliar with Argentinian politics: don't be too impressed with Mrs Kirchner. This Us vs Them is her bread and butter and a perfect opportunity for her to leverage for some cheap points. She's not really that communicative in real life. To put it in perspective, if Mrs. Kirchner was in Obama's spot right now facing spying accusation her response to the reports would be to totally ignore them and instruct her subordinates to mention that Snowden is a liar, all the documents are forged and everything is a plot by the enemies of the American people.

kragen 13y ago
...as you can see, Argentine politics are somewhat polarized.
- estebank 13y ago
  As a political satirist has said about argentinian politics: "You can neither explain it or understand it, you just endure it." — Enrique Pinti, Pingo Argentino
coldtea 13y ago
>The preventative injunction are in place to put the measures on hold while the court decides if the made-to-order laws she comes up with twice a week are constitutional or not. We had a similar case in my country (a politician trying to break large media empires). Nothing worse than media conglomerates belonging to powerful corporations. They control politics AND public perception -- and the use them to funnel resources, contracts and deals in their favour. Thing Google or Facebook is "the big brother"? Well, imagine those also having several large banks, Apple, newspapers, internet news outlets and several TV channels on their disposal. Well, it seems they have some leverage with the courts in Argentina too. >For those unfamiliar with Argentinian politics: don't be too impressed with Mrs Kirchner. This Us vs Them is her bread and butter and a perfect opportunity for her to leverage for some cheap points. Well, if you are in an Latin American country, as history has shown, it's mostly "us vs them". The name "banana republic" did not came about because there weren't enough foreign interests.

jschuur 13y ago

Seems like this content would have been a great fit for http://storify.com http://storify.com.

mr_luc 13y ago

I've said it since early in Correa's campaign, and I'll say it again: that guy is a really special politician. He's his country's Bismark, but he's done it all democratically. I've been living down here 9 months per year for the last 7 years and it's been an interesting time. Check out his Enlace Ciudadanos on their youtube channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/PresidenciaEc http://www.youtube.com/user/PresidenciaEc and you'll see how he goes way beyond the stump speech. He's spending 2 or 3 hours every week personally articulating the government's policy at the town-hall level. Yeah, like every politician everywhere who wants to consolidate support, he uses the US as a punching bag. And the one genuinely messed-up thing he's done are his media laws, which make it hard for any large independent media companies to flourish. But he's no Hugo Chavez. He's too smart, and too good of a politician, to need to be.

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muyuu 13y ago
Yep, I used to think he was just another regional populist, but he really is not. He's something else entirely.
- GFischer 13y ago
  Goes to show... I had branded him as another populist too, but I haven't researched much. I'll have to look things up :)
akiselev 13y ago
Are there any blogs or column on Ecuadorian politics (in English) where we can read about Correa and the public's opinions of him?
mr_luc 13y ago
Just more detail: seriously, look at the video from one of those Enlace Ciudadano events, and then take any still frame of video, and try to make him look stupid. The worst you can say is that he might look a little too earnest. He just did one of these at the refinery right outside where I live (about 5 minutes away) - notice his entrance after the video intro, where he joins a folk music band in singing "Bonito Manabi" (name of the province). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VntkFqT7tQ4&feature=c4-overview&list=UUn2XiuAROvRcqscSI2Ni-6A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VntkFqT7tQ4&feature=c4-overvi... He's got world-class skills, so he's like a man among boys down here. I'm just worried about who's going to inherit the concentration of executive power that he's built up.

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dep_b 13y ago

This article should be flagged for containing Argentinean government propaganda.

davidw 13y ago
Welcome to the new HN. The rate of political stories after datagate broke has skyrocketed, and I don't think the genie will go quietly back in the bottle. You can downvote me all you want: I have a shitload of this useless karma stuff that I built up on the old HN.
- coldtea 13y ago
  It's a social site. HN members find those stories relevant. Perhaps some people (including, you, I presume) don't care about surveillance, privacy, freedom of information and the like enough to want to highlight those issues on HN. They'd rather talk about Google buying some company, how someone learned Golang and Node.js all day. But I wouldn't call those people "hackers". Not in the traditional cultural sense.
  - davidw 13y ago
    I don't understand the mental processes that lead you and others to think that if I don't enjoy politics taking over this site, then I must not care about the issues in question. Another site I read often is www.cyclingnews.com - they have great coverage of professional bicycle racing, which I love to read about and watch. You know what, though? I find politics annoying there too. You know where I like to read about politics? The Economist is pretty good. www.corriere.it is pretty good for local stories. And there are other sources I read from time to time. This site is a great place to talk about startups and tech. There aren't many of those. There are approximately 343244329165 sites where people can have inane discussions about things like whether the US is really "exactly like China and Russia".
    - coldtea 13y ago
      >I don't understand the mental processes that lead you and others to think that if I don't enjoy politics taking over this site, then I must not care about the issues in question. It's a very simple process. People that like sites like this "segmented" and "pure" are mostly apolitical and don't care about the issues they want to expunge from them in the first place. I've seen such people in lots of other places. Hackers tend to be all over the place. They tend to appreciate tech, science, politics, philosophy, Star Wars, startups, what have you, and to want to discuss it at the same time. Kind of like PG discusses tons of things in his essays, not just tech or startups all the time. >You know where I like to read about politics? The Economist is pretty good. Not really the outlet for a hacker interested in politics, and especially the stuff we're discussing here. Actually, it's as far away from the traditional hacker culture as you can get -- and quite far from caring about privacy, surveillance, and the whole EFF spirit too. It's basically a status quo rag for rich folks and middle class wannabes.

wslh 13y ago

For people who don't know about Argentinian politics it's important to emphasize that Cristina Fernandez has her own NSA project: http://www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/newsfromargentina/security-minister-elaborates-on-project-x/ http://www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/newsfroma... Not only that, Cristina's Government anticipates Obama using the local IRS against the opposition and individuals speaking against the government in the press. Finally... a few days ago Assange said: "Argentina has most aggressive surveillance ‎system in Latin America" http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06/29/311375/assange-argentina-has-most-aggressive-surveillance-system-in-latin-america/ http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06/29/311375/assange-argen...

Fargren 13y ago
Well, that assertion by Assange is somewhat out of context. What he said is that of the medium sized Latin American countries, Argentina's surveillance was the most aggressive. He also said it was nothing compared with what's being done in the USA, the UK or China. So calling it "her own NSA" seems a bit disingenuous, at least from this perspective. Link to the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If7MbOvuEbg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If7MbOvuEbg
- wslh 13y ago
  You can't compare the NSA with the Argentinian intelligence agencies because the countries are in a very different scale.
  - JVIDEL 13y ago
    Indeed, Argentina lacks the ability or manpower to launch a worldwide program like PRISM but it has more than enough to do similar things to its <40MM population. That and a set of laws that allow the government to make life a living hell to any dissidents: had Snowden been Argentine getting his passport cancelled would be the least of his problems.
olvar 13y ago
The reaction of different latin-american governments has nothing to do with the NSA scandal, but with the prohibition given to Evo morales to flight and leave Europe. In particular, she is not taking a stance regarding spying, but against the humiliation suffered by the president of a sovereign nation.

gadders 13y ago

Kirchner is a flake, and Argentina is in serious economic trouble, including faking their inflation figures. TBH I'm surprised she didn't mention the Falklands as well.

gailees 13y ago

What happens if the plane would have continued flying through airspace claiming its political immunity? WWIII?

hetman 13y ago

One could only hope these types of strong arm tactics against a diplomatic mission would lead to repercussions serious enough to make future incidents much less likely. However, since it seems there is nothing more to be gained by continuing to hold the plane, what will actually happen is that high ranking politicians in the involved countries will apologise profusely, claim this was done by some low ranking bureaucrat that will be appropriately disciplined (sounding familiar?), and everything will go back to normal since no one wants to risk major economic repercussions over a minor incident. I wonder if this could have a long term impact on how the South Americans view Europe ideologically though.

seppo0010 13y ago

I'm surprise not many people read her blog instead of her tweets stream. The full article (in Spanish) was published there http://www.cfkargentina.com/evo-morales-detenido-en-europa/ http://www.cfkargentina.com/evo-morales-detenido-en-europa/