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Reddit, Mozilla to stage Fourth of July protest against NSA spying
- mtgx 13y agoI'm surprised Wikipedia isn't participating in at least putting a call to action to call your representatives like they did with SOPA last time. I'm not surprised Google isn't doing it, because I expected as much from them this time around, but I'm disappointed. It seems they only participate in these actions when there's immediate gain for them (like not passing SOPA, or ITU's "sender pays" policy). I just hope they realize that we might not be "available" to help them next time they need the public's support for something.
- richardwhiuk 13y agoWikipedia has to pass a fine line of trying not to involve itself in politics, unless it's a clear threat to it's ability to it's job, and it's not clear that surveillance (even on such a broad scale) prevents it building an encyclopaedia.
- belorn 13y agoWikipedia could argue that people will self-censor themselves and thus avoid looking up information on Wikipedia related to illnesses, sexual topics and so on. Its the same argument libraries has when claiming peoples library card history is protected.
- L4mppu 13y agoAnd whappens when those who used to write the articles for anything start censoring themselves too.
- jgrahamc 13y agoI'm not. If you go the the site (CallForFreedom.org) that is the rallying point you get: "America has violated its founding principles. The Constitution says government can't spy on us-- not without suspicion. But now, thousands of government employees at the NSA and other agencies track our phones and read our emails. The government is dangerously trespassing on our rights. How can free speech, free association, or a free press survive when everyone is always being watched, even in their most private moments?" Wikipedia etc. would probably only get behind something that was not limited to providing a benefit to US citizens alone. SOPA mattered to Wikipedia because it would have affected their ability to provide the service they provide globally.
- gailees 13y agoThe surveillance state has struck them with fear.
- sentenza 13y agoAfter reading the article, I am slightly disappointed. This is about banners on homepages, not people carrying signs through the streets. Please don't underestimate what actual protest in the streets can do, especially if it appears in unexpected places or in unexpected social circles. And don't think that there is no precedent for street protests against internet policies either. Remember that the turning point for ACTA was the moment when the people of Poland took it to the streets. [1] [1] http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Ftp%2Fblogs%2F8%2F151317 http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=...
- tokenizer 13y agohttp://www.restorethefourth.net/ http://www.restorethefourth.net/ There will be protests on the 4th of July as well in many US cities. Maybe other countries will protest in solidarity as well, like in the occupy protests, but we won't be sure what happens until the 5th of July.
- lucasjans 13y agoAll the links on that site 404 for me. Where can I get details on the San Francisco protest?
- bendoernberg 13y agoThey're in the process of updating the site, so the links will be fixed in the next hour or so. https://www.facebook.com/events/553989834652790/ https://www.facebook.com/events/553989834652790/
- lucasjans 13y agoAll the links on that site 404 for me. Where can I get details on the San Francisco protest?
- dllthomas 13y agoProtest in every venue you have available.
- rjv 13y agoExactly how effective will an online protest be on a day that so many people spend outdoors; away from their computers/devices?
- PavlovsCat 13y agoThere is only one way to find out..
- jasonlotito 13y agoExactly how effective will an offline protest be on a day that so many people will spend online, still using their computers and devices? http://www.restorethefourth.net/ http://www.restorethefourth.net/ Do not assume one precludes the other.
- 007emma007 13y agoIndia has rejected NSA leaker Edward Snowden's request for political asylum, the External Affairs Ministry said Tuesday. http://www.wral.com/india-turns-down-nsa-leaker-s-asylum-request/12618307/ http://www.wral.com/india-turns-down-nsa-leaker-s-asylum-req...
- dgunn 13y agoIs anyone else still trying to understand the goal here? I know the big lofty goal is to cause NSA to stop spying on people but what will convince people that they have stopped? Is everyone unaware that the NSA's mission is to collect digital intelligence through clandestine means? It's right on their website. Their mission is to spy on people and has been for decades. I may be unaware of what people are really upset about. I just can't understand how people are so up in arms by this. I'm legitimately interested in how I'm affected by this as a person who doesn't conduct activity online that the NSA would ever care about. Can someone help me out here?
- 3327 13y agoYES the NSA's mission is to spy. We are fine with that but NOT domestically. We are not fine with that. In the borders of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA according to the 4th Amendment of te UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION domestic spying is not legal. 1: NSA should be subject to accountability like everyone in this country 2: All NSA activities should be restricted to foreign intelligence gathering. This is the jist of it.
- ajuc 13y agoSo existence of organisation with particular goal is good enough reason to pursue that goal, no matter if its ethical or no? Seriously Americans, what's wrong with you?
- dgunn 13y agoI think your comment was intended for me. Their goal is protect the US. Do you think there are no threats within our borders? Seriously Americans, what's wrong with you? See? We can all try to make each other look stupid if we want. It doesn't make your opinion correct. Show me how I will be negatively affected by the NSA continuing to do what they've always done. I assure you, I can be convinced if you're right and I'm wrong. I just can't see the down side.
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- lifeguard 13y agoUseful info for street protests: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5984651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5984651
- jadeddrag 13y agoGreat idea in the comments about switching your phone to airplane mode.
- lifeguard 13y agoThis is not necessary. There are numerous cameras in all public spaces. Better to leave phone on for communications. Better yet, install live stream or ustream: http://www.ustream.tv/new http://www.ustream.tv/new http://new.livestream.com/ http://new.livestream.com/
- mrweasel 13y agoI have a hard time taking Mozilla serious in this case. If Mozilla where really against the NSA spying they would all their users to easily remove any Google ( and other third party ) services from Firefox. I understand why they won't, it would mean taking a financial hit, if I understand they business model. It's not that it is "Googles fault", they are force to work with the NSA. However having services from a company known to work with the NSA so deeply embedded into your product weakness the impact of your resistance to the NSA surveillance program.
- PhineasRex 13y agoI do not see how they have made it difficult to remove Google. One setting in about:config does the trick.
- mrweasel 13y agoI think there where 5 or 6 places Google appeared last time I checked. Also about:config isn't really user friendly.
- malandrew 13y agoMozilla can do more good taking Google's money and using it to fund decentralization and anti-surveillance features. They have enough market share and clout to bring things to the mass market. I would most like to see them champion putting in a DHT service in Firefox, where decentralized networks can be "registered". The user just needs to confirm that they want their browser to function as a regular node or supernode for service X, Y and Z and they are now serving information for networks X, Y and Z everywhere. A generic DHT running everywhere that any network requiring decentralized discover can be used for a Skype-like WebRTC directory, torrents decentralization, DNS alternative, etc.
- tn13 13y agoAs a non-american I wonder if Mozilla and others are against all spying of NSA or just Spying of American citizens.