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This is getting really weird: this morning French and Spanish officials have denied refusing to let that plane in. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/

by vrepsys 13y ago

This is getting really weird: this morning French and Spanish officials have denied refusing to let that plane in. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/edward-snowden-asylum-live#block-51d3eba3e4b0e80ab6523aa8 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/edward-snowden-a...

josteink 13y ago
You mean like everything Snowden has uncovered so far, which has as a theme that whoever is ordered to do something is forbidden from telling anyone about it afterwards? Seems to fit the picture perfectly well IMO.
reidrac 13y ago
The Spanish press is reporting that after the plane was delayed (it was expected to land in the Canary Islands) they had to confirm the permission, and it was granted as expected. The Spanish foreign ministry said they never denied landing or requested to inspect the plane (in Spanish soil). Apparently the Spanish ambassador asked Evo Morales to allow the Austrian police to inspect the plane, and he finally did. All this thing is confusing, indeed.
- sounds 13y ago
  No, Morales landed in the (Spanish-controlled) Canary Islands to refuel after he was denied access to France, et al. The quote from Morales in this article may be part of the source for the confusion, but as you say the Spanish press reports there was some delay, and I imagine Morales was pretty upset already. His quote seems to be lumping Spain in with the others. What's your source for the Spanish press, if I may ask? I realize that I'm not citing any great sources for what happened in Spain, I'm working on it... Here's one that lists France, Portugal, and Italy as nations denying Morales access to their airspace: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/03/us-usa-security-snowden-bolivia-idUSBRE9611AT20130703 http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/03/us-usa-security-sn...
  - reidrac 13y ago
    > What's your source for the Spanish press, if I may ask? In case you don't know Spanish press is completely partisan, some newspapers lie openly without any kind of remorse. That said, I was reading El País (center-left) and it didn't look like they were blaming the Spanish government (conservatives) in this situation. As I said, all this thing is confusing. Source: http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/07/03/actualidad/1372811536_087887.html http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/07/03/act... EDIT: according to the foreign ministry, Evo Morales was granted permission for a refuel stop in the Canary Islands on Tuesday and if that had to be reviewed and delayed until Wednesday was because other EU countries didn't authorise the plane to enter their aerial space. Source: http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1861995/0/margallo/evo-morales-avion/caso-snowden/ http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1861995/0/margallo/evo-moral...
  - iaskwhy 13y ago
    I've been repeating this all over the thread but the plane has not landed yet in Canary Islands. Right now it's flying nearby Madeira Island. Updated at 14:40 UTC: landed at Las Palmas.

by vrepsys 13y ago

josteink 13y ago

You mean like everything Snowden has uncovered so far, which has as a theme that whoever is ordered to do something is forbidden from telling anyone about it afterwards? Seems to fit the picture perfectly well IMO.

reidrac 13y ago

The Spanish press is reporting that after the plane was delayed (it was expected to land in the Canary Islands) they had to confirm the permission, and it was granted as expected. The Spanish foreign ministry said they never denied landing or requested to inspect the plane (in Spanish soil). Apparently the Spanish ambassador asked Evo Morales to allow the Austrian police to inspect the plane, and he finally did. All this thing is confusing, indeed.

sounds 13y ago
No, Morales landed in the (Spanish-controlled) Canary Islands to refuel after he was denied access to France, et al. The quote from Morales in this article may be part of the source for the confusion, but as you say the Spanish press reports there was some delay, and I imagine Morales was pretty upset already. His quote seems to be lumping Spain in with the others. What's your source for the Spanish press, if I may ask? I realize that I'm not citing any great sources for what happened in Spain, I'm working on it... Here's one that lists France, Portugal, and Italy as nations denying Morales access to their airspace: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/03/us-usa-security-snowden-bolivia-idUSBRE9611AT20130703 http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/03/us-usa-security-sn...
- reidrac 13y ago
  > What's your source for the Spanish press, if I may ask? In case you don't know Spanish press is completely partisan, some newspapers lie openly without any kind of remorse. That said, I was reading El País (center-left) and it didn't look like they were blaming the Spanish government (conservatives) in this situation. As I said, all this thing is confusing. Source: http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/07/03/actualidad/1372811536_087887.html http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/07/03/act... EDIT: according to the foreign ministry, Evo Morales was granted permission for a refuel stop in the Canary Islands on Tuesday and if that had to be reviewed and delayed until Wednesday was because other EU countries didn't authorise the plane to enter their aerial space. Source: http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1861995/0/margallo/evo-morales-avion/caso-snowden/ http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1861995/0/margallo/evo-moral...
- iaskwhy 13y ago
  I've been repeating this all over the thread but the plane has not landed yet in Canary Islands. Right now it's flying nearby Madeira Island. Updated at 14:40 UTC: landed at Las Palmas.