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Well the way you use memory in a game is non deterministic, so "OS having time to free memory" is not a good enough answer. Although you're totally right that t

Well the way you use memory in a game is non deterministic, so "OS having time to free memory" is not a good enough answer. Although you're totally right that the IPhone wasn't designed as a console, so this process is probably good enough for most apps. Even more interresting than the post in itself (wich is very interresting) is the hack proposed by fishermen21 in the comments - http://gamesfromwithin.com/?p=428#comment-1904 http://gamesfromwithin.com/?p=428#comment-1904 - , wich consist roughly of triggering the low memory handling process at the start of the game while reading a video. Nice workaround if you ask me. Also , maybe someone around here knows, or my question is stupid, but why isn't a virtual memory mechanism implemented into the iphone OS ?

ankhmoop 17y ago
Well the way you use memory in a game is non deterministic, so "OS having time to free memory" is not a good enough answer. Once the memory is made available to the foremost application, it will not be reclaimed by the operating system; As a game author you do not need to attempt to introduce determinism across all allocations, but instead ensure that initial allocations are not so rapid as to outpace the low-memory handling. Also , maybe someone around here knows, or my question is stupid, but why isn't a virtual memory mechanism implemented into the iphone OS? The OS does have a VM, it simply does not have swap space allocated to support paging to disk (flash). Paging would introduce a considerably less enjoyable user experience than forcing applications to account for the available RAM, and significantly decrease flash lifetime.
- kqr2 17y ago
  The OS does have a VM, it simply does not have swap space allocated to support paging to disk (flash). Paging would introduce a considerably less enjoyable user experience than forcing applications to account for the available RAM. Just curious, can swap space be enabled on a jailbroken iphone?
  - ankhmoop 17y ago
    Just curious, can swap space be enabled on a jailbroken iphone? The iPhoneOS doesn't ship with dynamic_pager, which implements user-space allocation and enabling of page files, but in theory, the necessary kernel support should be available. Enabling paging to a specific file is done via the macx_swapon syscall: http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/bsd/vm/dp_backing_file.c?v=xnu-1228#L157 http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/bsd/vm/dp_backing_file.c?v=... dynamic_pager handles allocation of swap files on-demand (requires free ADC account): http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.0/system_cmds-175/dynamic_pager.tproj/ http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.0/system_cmd...
- barrkel 17y ago
  Yes. Instead of the "less enjoyable" experience of paging, we have the totally appletastic experience of disappearing applications, without warning.
- Tichy 17y ago
  In a way, why does it matter if it has paging or not? Either way the total memory available is limited (hard disks don't have infinite storage space).
roc 17y ago
I always assumed they were avoiding the non-trivial impact on lifespan of the internal flash.
- kqr2 17y ago
  They must use some wear leveling algorithm. Also, this shouldn't really be much of a technical problem going forward since solid state drives clearly have swap space on them.
blasdel 17y ago
The iPhone doesn't swap because its flash memory is REALLY CRAPPY. It's terribly slow at even the easiest stuff like streaming reads. Swapping to it would cause epic grinding, so they don't do it (the flash wear that people usually trot out is irrelevant).
- jmtulloss 17y ago
  While I agree with you, I'd like to know why you think flash wear is irrelevant.
- kvs 17y ago
  I don't know whether it is a reading issue. It might be a write issue, however. Flash can only allow so many write-cycles, and thrashing is a good way to guarantee flash running out of write-cycles.

ankhmoop 17y ago

Well the way you use memory in a game is non deterministic, so "OS having time to free memory" is not a good enough answer. Once the memory is made available to the foremost application, it will not be reclaimed by the operating system; As a game author you do not need to attempt to introduce determinism across all allocations, but instead ensure that initial allocations are not so rapid as to outpace the low-memory handling. Also , maybe someone around here knows, or my question is stupid, but why isn't a virtual memory mechanism implemented into the iphone OS? The OS does have a VM, it simply does not have swap space allocated to support paging to disk (flash). Paging would introduce a considerably less enjoyable user experience than forcing applications to account for the available RAM, and significantly decrease flash lifetime.

kqr2 17y ago
The OS does have a VM, it simply does not have swap space allocated to support paging to disk (flash). Paging would introduce a considerably less enjoyable user experience than forcing applications to account for the available RAM. Just curious, can swap space be enabled on a jailbroken iphone?
- ankhmoop 17y ago
  Just curious, can swap space be enabled on a jailbroken iphone? The iPhoneOS doesn't ship with dynamic_pager, which implements user-space allocation and enabling of page files, but in theory, the necessary kernel support should be available. Enabling paging to a specific file is done via the macx_swapon syscall: http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/bsd/vm/dp_backing_file.c?v=xnu-1228#L157 http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/bsd/vm/dp_backing_file.c?v=... dynamic_pager handles allocation of swap files on-demand (requires free ADC account): http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.0/system_cmds-175/dynamic_pager.tproj/ http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.0/system_cmd...
barrkel 17y ago
Yes. Instead of the "less enjoyable" experience of paging, we have the totally appletastic experience of disappearing applications, without warning.
Tichy 17y ago
In a way, why does it matter if it has paging or not? Either way the total memory available is limited (hard disks don't have infinite storage space).

roc 17y ago

I always assumed they were avoiding the non-trivial impact on lifespan of the internal flash.

kqr2 17y ago
They must use some wear leveling algorithm. Also, this shouldn't really be much of a technical problem going forward since solid state drives clearly have swap space on them.

blasdel 17y ago

The iPhone doesn't swap because its flash memory is REALLY CRAPPY. It's terribly slow at even the easiest stuff like streaming reads. Swapping to it would cause epic grinding, so they don't do it (the flash wear that people usually trot out is irrelevant).

jmtulloss 17y ago
While I agree with you, I'd like to know why you think flash wear is irrelevant.
kvs 17y ago
I don't know whether it is a reading issue. It might be a write issue, however. Flash can only allow so many write-cycles, and thrashing is a good way to guarantee flash running out of write-cycles.