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It's a little humorous that they are talking about unions disrupting the political system when corporations spend infinitely more money on lobbying government.

by hallp 13y ago

derleth 13y ago
Unions are corporations, too. If unions protect workers from management, who protects workers from unions?
- casiotone 13y ago
  This is fucking absurd. Unions are unions OF WORKERS. A unions political power comes from the combined power of its members, who are citizens of the state and can thus be considered an accurate reflection of the citizens wishes. A corporation's political power comes from the top, and does not reflect anyone's wishes but the CEO.
  - derleth 13y ago
    > Unions are unions OF WORKERS. But there's still someone in charge. Who polices them? > A unions political power comes from the combined power of its members, who are citizens of the state and can thus be considered an accurate reflection of the citizens wishes. By this argument, we don't need anyone watching the government because it is elected by the people and so represents the will of the people.
    - derleth 13y ago
      Does anyone have refutations to these points, or are union people going to disagree by downvoting?
    - casiotone 13y ago
      > But there's still someone in charge. Who polices them? The union members vote on union matters. Do you know how unions work at all? Why are you talking as if you're an authority on unions when you don't even know this stuff? > By this argument, we don't need anyone watching the government because it is elected by the people and so represents the will of the people. Don't be ridiculous. The point is that a democratic organisation of workers exercising the collective political will of those members using the collective funds of those members, is quite clearly compatible with democracy, infinitely more so than companies spending billions to exercise the will of a small group of people at the top.
      - derleth 13y ago
        > The union members vote on union matters. And who monitors the ballots? > Why are you talking as if you're an authority on unions when you don't even know this stuff? I'm not. I'm asking questions and being downvoted for it. Worse, none of my questions are being answered. > The point is that a democratic organisation of workers exercising the collective political will of those members using the collective funds of those members, is quite clearly compatible with democracy Only if the ballots are free and fair. Otherwise, it's just the union bosses dictating terms. So who monitors the ballots?

It's a little humorous that they are talking about unions disrupting the political system when corporations spend infinitely more money on lobbying government.

by hallp 13y ago

It's a little humorous that they are talking about unions disrupting the political system when corporations spend infinitely more money on lobbying government.

derleth 13y ago

Unions are corporations, too. If unions protect workers from management, who protects workers from unions?

casiotone 13y ago
This is fucking absurd. Unions are unions OF WORKERS. A unions political power comes from the combined power of its members, who are citizens of the state and can thus be considered an accurate reflection of the citizens wishes. A corporation's political power comes from the top, and does not reflect anyone's wishes but the CEO.
- derleth 13y ago
  > Unions are unions OF WORKERS. But there's still someone in charge. Who polices them? > A unions political power comes from the combined power of its members, who are citizens of the state and can thus be considered an accurate reflection of the citizens wishes. By this argument, we don't need anyone watching the government because it is elected by the people and so represents the will of the people.
  - derleth 13y ago
    Does anyone have refutations to these points, or are union people going to disagree by downvoting?
  - casiotone 13y ago
    > But there's still someone in charge. Who polices them? The union members vote on union matters. Do you know how unions work at all? Why are you talking as if you're an authority on unions when you don't even know this stuff? > By this argument, we don't need anyone watching the government because it is elected by the people and so represents the will of the people. Don't be ridiculous. The point is that a democratic organisation of workers exercising the collective political will of those members using the collective funds of those members, is quite clearly compatible with democracy, infinitely more so than companies spending billions to exercise the will of a small group of people at the top.
    - derleth 13y ago
      > The union members vote on union matters. And who monitors the ballots? > Why are you talking as if you're an authority on unions when you don't even know this stuff? I'm not. I'm asking questions and being downvoted for it. Worse, none of my questions are being answered. > The point is that a democratic organisation of workers exercising the collective political will of those members using the collective funds of those members, is quite clearly compatible with democracy Only if the ballots are free and fair. Otherwise, it's just the union bosses dictating terms. So who monitors the ballots?