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It's important to note that this is, at first glance, a different beast than the padmappers/3Taps issues, which were primarily about scraping craigslist data an
by jmduke 13y ago
It's important to note that this is, at first glance, a different beast than the padmappers/3Taps issues, which were primarily about scraping craigslist data and placing it on a different site. Krrb has users press a button, which scrapes a given post.
The end result is the same -- the same data as Craigslist being displayed on a different site -- but this is coming from the Krrb users' own volitions, which I think makes this much more difficult to justify from Craigslist's point of view.
I honestly don't understand why Craiglist has taken this tack. I think the moves they've made in the past are respectable (as in, they have the right to protect their data and leverage their position) -- I just think there's more value to the company and the community to become the Amazon of local.
- jmspring 13y agoIt is quite different. That said, I expect no response from Craig. Despite his self proclaimed love of customer support, he has been very quiet on these issues.
- res0nat0r 13y agoSmart businessmen (who want to stay in business) don't blog about litigious information, no matter how cool or web 2.0 it is to do so now days. They let their lawyers handle it.
- samstave 13y agouh.... there is NOTHING web 2.0 about CL
- jamespo 13y agowell it's profitable... actually you're right
- wavefunction 13y agoThat was his point, web 2.0 is blogging about ongoing litigation.
- deleted 13y ago[deleted]
- erikpukinskis 13y agoFrom Wikipedia: "Web 2.0 describes web sites that use technology beyond the static pages of earlier web sites...A Web 2.0 site may allow users to interact and collaborate with each other" Craigslist, along with Flickr, Twitter, etc, are the quintessential Web 2.0 sites.
- chao- 13y agoCare to elaborate?
- throwaway9848 13y agoCustomer support is a quite different from public relations.
- res0nat0r 13y agoI think this is the same issue as Padmapper, just on a much smaller scale. Don't write code that will re-display/re-post content of a Craigslist post on your 3rd party website. I bet if the button were changed to just cut/paste an html link to <city>.craigslist.org/post all would be well. This is just CL trying to keep their postings exclusive to their website of which they've spent many a time and money trying to build and brand.
- cecilpl 13y agoMaking the user press a button then manually copy/paste the url is okay. Making the user press a button then automatically copy/paste the url is bad. Got it.
- res0nat0r 13y agoActually: Cutting / pasting content from CL: bad. Cutting / pasting a post URL from CL: good.
- imgabe 13y agoThe question is whose data is it? Padmapper just scraped whole site for apartment listings. This is an action by the user to take their post, which they wrote, and redisplay it somewhere else. If I write an ad for a chair I want to sell, I should be able to post it to Craigslist and any other site I want to. The Krrb button is no different than the user manually copying and pasting her own content into Krrb's posting form.
- potatolicious 13y agoI don't think this is what's happening here - for either Krrb or Padmapper. It's important to note that Krrb and Padmapper both make the distinction that they're scraping facts, not posts. One is copyrightable, the other is not. You can lay claim to the sentence "I have a room in a 2-bedroom apartment for rent in Williamsburg, going for $1500" But you do not have the right to own the fact that there's a room for rent in Williamsburg, in a 2-bedroom, for $1500. It would seem that Krrb and Padmapper both scrape the facts only, not textual content - or at least, that's what the letter seems to say. This is a frequent misunderstanding of the Padmapper issue. Padmapper never scraped posts wholesale from Craigslist - it scraped and displayed only structured data (i.e. facts), and in fact if you wanted to contact the seller it links you directly to the Craigslist post!