Thank you for taking the time to explain that and also for remaining on point in the face of my aggressive interrogation. I think I understand your frustration,

Thank you for taking the time to explain that and also for remaining on point in the face of my aggressive interrogation. I think I understand your frustration, but I'm not clear on the solution. > ...take the old Windows taskbar...place it on the left...Add typical application-tab-management features to the taskbar...then most people won't need application-tabs. I think that I have this with Windows (7/8/2012) and 7+ Taskbar Tweaker. I can separate all my app windows and each will show up in my taskbar. I can drag/drop reorder them without them getting grouped up (via 7+). I can close each taskbar item with a middle-click of my mouse button or right-click menu just like in Chrome. The ability to do all of this tanks to 7+ is indeed liberating. (However, I still need tabs for browser and code windows.) Based on the quoted text above, it seems like you're suggesting that we just go back to individual windows (i.e. no tabbed document interfaces in any app). Let's call that Idea X. But then you say: > ...application-tabs are easier to use than windows. Their drawback is that they silo tabs from different applications away from each other. Let's break that restriction. Reading the last two sentences I thought...what you're suggesting is that a single window could contain tabs from separate apps. That way you could group windows A and C together when you need to. Is that correct? I was imagining Chrome where each tab could be a different app's window and they could all just be grouped however you want. (This is Idea Y.) If that's what you're suggesting - I don't know - it could be nice (if done well...in a way that meets everyone's needs), but it doesn't seem to solve your described scenario. You'd have to group all of your app-window-tabs ahead of time and that's as much work as you're doing now. Did you suggest Idea X, Y, both or did I miss something?