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Because they don't want to share their business specifics they deserve what they get? That sounds an awful lot like "If you've got nothing to hide, you should

by Permit 13y ago

Because they don't want to share their business specifics they deserve what they get? That sounds an awful lot like "If you've got nothing to hide, you should tell us what you're doing". I'm all for transparent governments, but I don't think transparency should be a requirement of a private company.

sophacles 13y ago
Speaking of false dichotomies... So a transparent government is well and good for those who need utmost secrecy. They just contract out to the non-transparent companies!
rhizome 13y ago
Then they put their business reputation into the hands of strangers.
nazka 13y ago
Yes they deserve it especially as you said because they made the choice to ignore everyman. And now you have all this story with their name on it, and all the war, government and secrecy effects around that. How people can't be at least frustrated or even more feeling themselves fooled with a total absence of marketing by Palantir? I am not saying it's like "If you've got nothing to hide, you should tell us what you're doing". I am saying that you have to be able to manage the public image of your company even if it is a private company. Or things like that will happen and it will be hard to restore your reputation over people you ignored. It's all about the communication, public image, reputation... There are even companies dedicated to do that for you. I don't know for instance they should use the same idea behind their website: a company of high quality dedicated to BigData, and advertise that in every public media with nothing related to war, secrecy or others things... Just a company providing high value products to who you want.
glesica 13y ago
As far as the company's contracts with the government are concerned, yes, those should be totally transparent. Otherwise it is stupidly easy for the government to do an end-run around transparency: just pay a private company to do your dirty tricks for you. You can't have it both ways. If private companies are going to provide important government services, then those companies must accept a certain measure of public scrutiny and transparency, a much greater measure than an ordinary private company would need to accept. If the companies don't like it, then they shouldn't bid on government contracts. No one is forcing them to do so. And if you don't think the government should occupy such a large segment of the economy, AWESOME! I'm all for that! I say dismantle the whole military-security-industrial complex!
- martinlandau 13y ago
  I remember hearing on the talk radio shows about one former NSA guy saying that to circumvent US laws, they established centers in England and sent all the data over there to be "interpreted" and "analyzed" - LOL! I now hear that Joe Lonsdale, cofounder of Palantir, is now backing Oculus the HMD VR company everyone is excited about. How far do the tentacles of these people like Lonsdale, In Q Tel, and others reach?
- bane 13y ago
  http://www.usaspending.gov/search?form_fields=%7B%22search_term%22%3A%22palantir%22%7D http://www.usaspending.gov/search?form_fields=%7B%22search_t...
alexberghage 13y ago
I think GP's point wasn't that their secrecy makes them deserve negative public opinion, rather that a policy of secrecy in general makes it rather difficult to believably deny allegations of questionable behavior -- that secrecy is a double-edged sword. Also, I don't think it's entirely fair to construct a black-and-white dichotomy between government and private company. Companies working on government contracts are by definition somewhere between the two, so perhaps it's fair to demand transparency somewhere in between? I don't know where to draw those lines, I'm just trying to point out that there isn't, logically, much room for absolute arguments about private vs public on this particular topic.

by Permit 13y ago

sophacles 13y ago

Speaking of false dichotomies... So a transparent government is well and good for those who need utmost secrecy. They just contract out to the non-transparent companies!

rhizome 13y ago

Then they put their business reputation into the hands of strangers.

nazka 13y ago

Yes they deserve it especially as you said because they made the choice to ignore everyman. And now you have all this story with their name on it, and all the war, government and secrecy effects around that. How people can't be at least frustrated or even more feeling themselves fooled with a total absence of marketing by Palantir? I am not saying it's like "If you've got nothing to hide, you should tell us what you're doing". I am saying that you have to be able to manage the public image of your company even if it is a private company. Or things like that will happen and it will be hard to restore your reputation over people you ignored. It's all about the communication, public image, reputation... There are even companies dedicated to do that for you. I don't know for instance they should use the same idea behind their website: a company of high quality dedicated to BigData, and advertise that in every public media with nothing related to war, secrecy or others things... Just a company providing high value products to who you want.

glesica 13y ago

As far as the company's contracts with the government are concerned, yes, those should be totally transparent. Otherwise it is stupidly easy for the government to do an end-run around transparency: just pay a private company to do your dirty tricks for you. You can't have it both ways. If private companies are going to provide important government services, then those companies must accept a certain measure of public scrutiny and transparency, a much greater measure than an ordinary private company would need to accept. If the companies don't like it, then they shouldn't bid on government contracts. No one is forcing them to do so. And if you don't think the government should occupy such a large segment of the economy, AWESOME! I'm all for that! I say dismantle the whole military-security-industrial complex!

martinlandau 13y ago
I remember hearing on the talk radio shows about one former NSA guy saying that to circumvent US laws, they established centers in England and sent all the data over there to be "interpreted" and "analyzed" - LOL! I now hear that Joe Lonsdale, cofounder of Palantir, is now backing Oculus the HMD VR company everyone is excited about. How far do the tentacles of these people like Lonsdale, In Q Tel, and others reach?
bane 13y ago
http://www.usaspending.gov/search?form_fields=%7B%22search_term%22%3A%22palantir%22%7D http://www.usaspending.gov/search?form_fields=%7B%22search_t...

alexberghage 13y ago

I think GP's point wasn't that their secrecy makes them deserve negative public opinion, rather that a policy of secrecy in general makes it rather difficult to believably deny allegations of questionable behavior -- that secrecy is a double-edged sword. Also, I don't think it's entirely fair to construct a black-and-white dichotomy between government and private company. Companies working on government contracts are by definition somewhere between the two, so perhaps it's fair to demand transparency somewhere in between? I don't know where to draw those lines, I'm just trying to point out that there isn't, logically, much room for absolute arguments about private vs public on this particular topic.