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It is a terrible disgusting shame that this whole thing is slowly fading into the backdrop. In a few years, it will just be taken for granted that the US govern

It is a terrible disgusting shame that this whole thing is slowly fading into the backdrop. In a few years, it will just be taken for granted that the US government listens to / stores data on everything you do. I would very much like, now more than ever, for services to build on encryption in a way that allows it to be used by everyone, with little to no barrier to entry. I've wanted to encrypt all my email for a very long time, but the logistics of doing so when you interact with normal people are... rough, at best.

pvnick 13y ago
That's why Greenwald has been releasing the revelations slowly. Don't worry, this has all been thoroughly planned. Another leak coming soon [1] describes an NSA program that records the contents of every single cell phone call being made. [1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/29/glenn-greenwald-nsa-cell-phone-calls_n_3520424.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/29/glenn-greenwald-nsa...
sneak 13y ago
> In a few years, it will just be taken for granted that the US government listens to / stores data on everything you do. I doubt it. Google/Apple/Facebook/AWS/AWS customers/Microsoft have more non-US customers than US customers, and while the US population might not care, all of those "foreign entities" that Obama explained are targeted without warrants aren't going to put their high-value confidential data into those services now that this is common knowledge. These companies had better get their asses in gear and get this whole surveillance architecture shut down, or it's curtains for the US internet industry. If this isn't visibly and loudly fixed, nobody (the 6.5+bn nobodies that don't get 4th amendment protections) will trust US-based companies with high value data ever again. (It may already be too late, if only because if they shut down this one, their track record of dishonesty and evasion suggests they'd just build another and lie about its existence like they did this time 'round.) There are already European municipalities banning the use of Google Apps on security grounds, for instance. This is just the beginning.
- vixen99 13y ago
  I just hope you're right about the rearguard action which might now get underway. Apparently the US nomenclatura seems to think that privacy is a privilege only for Americans - and then only in a formal sense. Hit them where it hurts, in their pocket. Best part is that not paying to be bugged is something any of us can do as a tiny pathetic action which might turn out not to be so if there are enough of us.
ImprovedSilence 13y ago
>> I would very much like, now more than ever, for services to build on encryption I would be very surprised if the NSA didn't already have the means to crack most, if not all, current practical encryption schemes... Also, do you encrypt meta-data as well? Isn't that what the whole PRISM thing is?
dllthomas 13y ago
Don't stop with the technical search for solutions (and improvements), but push in non-technical ways as well: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/07/restore-fourth-campaign-organizes-protests-against-unconstitutional-surveillance https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/07/restore-fourth-campaig...

pvnick 13y ago

That's why Greenwald has been releasing the revelations slowly. Don't worry, this has all been thoroughly planned. Another leak coming soon [1] describes an NSA program that records the contents of every single cell phone call being made. [1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/29/glenn-greenwald-nsa-cell-phone-calls_n_3520424.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/29/glenn-greenwald-nsa...

sneak 13y ago

> In a few years, it will just be taken for granted that the US government listens to / stores data on everything you do. I doubt it. Google/Apple/Facebook/AWS/AWS customers/Microsoft have more non-US customers than US customers, and while the US population might not care, all of those "foreign entities" that Obama explained are targeted without warrants aren't going to put their high-value confidential data into those services now that this is common knowledge. These companies had better get their asses in gear and get this whole surveillance architecture shut down, or it's curtains for the US internet industry. If this isn't visibly and loudly fixed, nobody (the 6.5+bn nobodies that don't get 4th amendment protections) will trust US-based companies with high value data ever again. (It may already be too late, if only because if they shut down this one, their track record of dishonesty and evasion suggests they'd just build another and lie about its existence like they did this time 'round.) There are already European municipalities banning the use of Google Apps on security grounds, for instance. This is just the beginning.

vixen99 13y ago
I just hope you're right about the rearguard action which might now get underway. Apparently the US nomenclatura seems to think that privacy is a privilege only for Americans - and then only in a formal sense. Hit them where it hurts, in their pocket. Best part is that not paying to be bugged is something any of us can do as a tiny pathetic action which might turn out not to be so if there are enough of us.

ImprovedSilence 13y ago

>> I would very much like, now more than ever, for services to build on encryption I would be very surprised if the NSA didn't already have the means to crack most, if not all, current practical encryption schemes... Also, do you encrypt meta-data as well? Isn't that what the whole PRISM thing is?

dllthomas 13y ago

Don't stop with the technical search for solutions (and improvements), but push in non-technical ways as well: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/07/restore-fourth-campaign-organizes-protests-against-unconstitutional-surveillance https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/07/restore-fourth-campaig...