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Russia wants to have him as a possible tool to press the USA in the future - that is why they want him to stop the leaking now - when all is leaked he'll be of

by zby 13y ago

Russia wants to have him as a possible tool to press the USA in the future - that is why they want him to stop the leaking now - when all is leaked he'll be of no value to them. By rejecting these terms Snowden shows character - but he is now in a really bad situation. Requesting asylum in Poland (where one of the secret CIA prisons was located) was an act of desperation.

sigzero 13y ago
That is pure speculation on your part. The other side could be that Snowden wants to continue leaking information and thus "harming" the United States.
- Argorak 13y ago
  There yet another side to this: by signing that he "stops harming the US", Snowden would sign that he "is currently harming the US".
- zby 13y ago
  Speculation - sure, what else can we do now - but I don't really understand why 'Snowden wants to continue leaking' is incompatible with any one of my theses, this is probably his motivation and this is why he is rejecting the Russian offer. But still I am sure he also understands that if he stays in Russia he'll be subjected to all kinds of pressures.
_pmf_ 13y ago
Yes, from all countries in the region, Poland is probably the closest to the US.
threeseed 13y ago
Please. Snowden was never going to be a tool for Russia. He is nothing but an inconvenient annoyance to them. They have all the leverage they need simply by having veto power on the UNSC. It is more a case of Putin being in an untenable position. If he capitulates and hands him over to the US then he will be seen internally as weak. But he needs to maintain and strengthen relations with the US. So allowing him to stay but telling him to shut up is the best compromise they can come up with.
tszyn 13y ago
Possible reason why Poland was among those countries: The wave of anti-ACTA protests was the strongest in Poland of all European countries. We are historically a rebellious, freedom-loving nation (just think of the the anti-communist movement, many uprisings against foreign occupants). So Snowden might be hoping for some public support from Poland's youth. But yeah, if you remember how stupidly long the Polish government held out in their support of ACTA (despite its having few advantages for Poland), you have to realize that the US Government can be very persuasive.
laureny 13y ago
> Russia wants to have him as a possible tool to press the USA in the future Have you been following what's going on? It's becoming clear that Russia wants nothing to do with him. And it's understandable: harboring Snowden would damage their relationship with the US considerably, and the US and Russia are too close allies to let this happen, especially since there is very little for Russia to gain from Snowden.
- zby 13y ago
  > Have you been following what's going on? It's becoming clear that Russia wants nothing to do with him. Citation needed!

by zby 13y ago

sigzero 13y ago

That is pure speculation on your part. The other side could be that Snowden wants to continue leaking information and thus "harming" the United States.

Argorak 13y ago
There yet another side to this: by signing that he "stops harming the US", Snowden would sign that he "is currently harming the US".
zby 13y ago
Speculation - sure, what else can we do now - but I don't really understand why 'Snowden wants to continue leaking' is incompatible with any one of my theses, this is probably his motivation and this is why he is rejecting the Russian offer. But still I am sure he also understands that if he stays in Russia he'll be subjected to all kinds of pressures.

_pmf_ 13y ago

Yes, from all countries in the region, Poland is probably the closest to the US.

threeseed 13y ago

Please. Snowden was never going to be a tool for Russia. He is nothing but an inconvenient annoyance to them. They have all the leverage they need simply by having veto power on the UNSC. It is more a case of Putin being in an untenable position. If he capitulates and hands him over to the US then he will be seen internally as weak. But he needs to maintain and strengthen relations with the US. So allowing him to stay but telling him to shut up is the best compromise they can come up with.

tszyn 13y ago

Possible reason why Poland was among those countries: The wave of anti-ACTA protests was the strongest in Poland of all European countries. We are historically a rebellious, freedom-loving nation (just think of the the anti-communist movement, many uprisings against foreign occupants). So Snowden might be hoping for some public support from Poland's youth. But yeah, if you remember how stupidly long the Polish government held out in their support of ACTA (despite its having few advantages for Poland), you have to realize that the US Government can be very persuasive.

laureny 13y ago

> Russia wants to have him as a possible tool to press the USA in the future Have you been following what's going on? It's becoming clear that Russia wants nothing to do with him. And it's understandable: harboring Snowden would damage their relationship with the US considerably, and the US and Russia are too close allies to let this happen, especially since there is very little for Russia to gain from Snowden.

zby 13y ago
> Have you been following what's going on? It's becoming clear that Russia wants nothing to do with him. Citation needed!