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>much of what goes on there is illegal, and a substantial portion is immoral or malicious. Wrong, but thanks for playing.

by moot 13y ago

eli_gottlieb 13y ago
With all respect, moot, 4chan breaks a huge number of laws about copyright protection (half of which were made specifically to illegalize file-sharing, of course). Raiding is certainly malicious, even if you enjoy it. And I don't think debating morality with the founder of 4chan is productive; if you have a moral sense it must be almost entirely libertarian.
- indlebe 13y ago
  * * (censored to protect feelings)
- mr_noah 13y ago
  Over 90% of the boards on 4chan are nothing but discussions about the particular subject. The most illegal stuff that happens on these boards is uploading images without permission, yes, it's that bad. Most people who speak of 4chan in this way, are really just talking about /b/.
  - eli_gottlieb 13y ago
    No, actually. I don't go to /b/. I can't even follow /b/; I try to keep track of a single thread or meme and it completely gets away from me. But as I said, there are some boards filled with blatant neo-Nazis, some filled with some of the world's more disgusting pornography, blah blah blah. Now, if you want to call it "the last bastion of freedom [to spread hate ideologies, post loli hentai, etc]", go ahead. However, be clear that you are defending the freedom to commit immoral acts. 4chan is the Mal Reynolds of the internet, not Luke Skywalker.
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      At various times in history the ACLU has defended the KKK. I see no problem with defending freedom of horrible people. Both from an ethical standpoint, and from a pragmatic standpoint (I would rather those people communicate in a way that has some visibility/oversight. You are not going to stop them, only push them underground; I think most would agree that would be a bad thing.)
      - eli_gottlieb 13y ago
        At various times in history the ACLU has defended the KKK. Yes, and? If you actually believe in free speech, calling someone a Horrible Person is not a disguised argument for shutting them down. 4chan is full of really horrible people. Sometimes I am one of them. This doesn't mean they should be shut down by the government or something. However, it also doesn't mean they're Glorious Heroes Fighting For Righteousness.
        indlebe 13y ago
        I think that less people would have problems with your comment if you stated that you were an oldfriend right off the bat.
        mhurron 13y ago
        File: 0000000.png-(327 KB, 187×155, donald-sutherland-body-snatchers.jpg) > oldfriend Hey wait a minute ... CENSORSHIP
        eli_gottlieb 13y ago
        But I'm not an oldfriend. I've only been making intermittent visits to 4chan for a couple of years now.
        jlgreco 13y ago
        > However, it also doesn't mean they're Glorious Heroes Fighting For Righteousness. Who is arguing that?
- c0bra 13y ago
  I think you fail to understand something : There are all kinds of people on 4chan. And dont come saying "laws about copyright protection" cause that is not a "crack house" .
- jitl 13y ago
  You should listen to Moot's talks on the subject of 4chan and free speech, which I will link below. As to "raiding," there are exactly zero boards on 4chan where raiding is allowed in the rules: it is globally banned on all boards, even /b/, which is the "no-rules" board. Many of the 4chan communities are totally moral, from any standards: the cooking board (http://boards.4chan.org/ck http://boards.4chan.org/ck) is my favourite board on 4chan, and it's just discussion of tasty eats. As to copyrighted content, 4chan is the same as any other online message board that allows the embedding of images. 4chan has a staff of volunteer janitors to remove copyrighted content, and a smaller team of moderators to deal with repeat offenders. Moot talks: http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_m00t_poole_the_case_for_anonymity_online.html http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_m00t_poole_the_case_for... http://schedule.sxsw.com/2011/events/event_IAP000001 http://schedule.sxsw.com/2011/events/event_IAP000001 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtTR7hbR3tM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtTR7hbR3tM

>much of what goes on there is illegal, and a substantial portion is immoral or malicious. Wrong, but thanks for playing.

by moot 13y ago

>much of what goes on there is illegal, and a substantial portion is immoral or malicious. Wrong, but thanks for playing.

eli_gottlieb 13y ago

With all respect, moot, 4chan breaks a huge number of laws about copyright protection (half of which were made specifically to illegalize file-sharing, of course). Raiding is certainly malicious, even if you enjoy it. And I don't think debating morality with the founder of 4chan is productive; if you have a moral sense it must be almost entirely libertarian.

indlebe 13y ago
* * (censored to protect feelings)
mr_noah 13y ago
Over 90% of the boards on 4chan are nothing but discussions about the particular subject. The most illegal stuff that happens on these boards is uploading images without permission, yes, it's that bad. Most people who speak of 4chan in this way, are really just talking about /b/.
- eli_gottlieb 13y ago
  No, actually. I don't go to /b/. I can't even follow /b/; I try to keep track of a single thread or meme and it completely gets away from me. But as I said, there are some boards filled with blatant neo-Nazis, some filled with some of the world's more disgusting pornography, blah blah blah. Now, if you want to call it "the last bastion of freedom [to spread hate ideologies, post loli hentai, etc]", go ahead. However, be clear that you are defending the freedom to commit immoral acts. 4chan is the Mal Reynolds of the internet, not Luke Skywalker.
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    At various times in history the ACLU has defended the KKK. I see no problem with defending freedom of horrible people. Both from an ethical standpoint, and from a pragmatic standpoint (I would rather those people communicate in a way that has some visibility/oversight. You are not going to stop them, only push them underground; I think most would agree that would be a bad thing.)
    - eli_gottlieb 13y ago
      At various times in history the ACLU has defended the KKK. Yes, and? If you actually believe in free speech, calling someone a Horrible Person is not a disguised argument for shutting them down. 4chan is full of really horrible people. Sometimes I am one of them. This doesn't mean they should be shut down by the government or something. However, it also doesn't mean they're Glorious Heroes Fighting For Righteousness.
      - indlebe 13y ago
        I think that less people would have problems with your comment if you stated that you were an oldfriend right off the bat.
        mhurron 13y ago
        File: 0000000.png-(327 KB, 187×155, donald-sutherland-body-snatchers.jpg) > oldfriend Hey wait a minute ... CENSORSHIP
        eli_gottlieb 13y ago
        But I'm not an oldfriend. I've only been making intermittent visits to 4chan for a couple of years now.
      - jlgreco 13y ago
        > However, it also doesn't mean they're Glorious Heroes Fighting For Righteousness. Who is arguing that?
c0bra 13y ago
I think you fail to understand something : There are all kinds of people on 4chan. And dont come saying "laws about copyright protection" cause that is not a "crack house" .
jitl 13y ago
You should listen to Moot's talks on the subject of 4chan and free speech, which I will link below. As to "raiding," there are exactly zero boards on 4chan where raiding is allowed in the rules: it is globally banned on all boards, even /b/, which is the "no-rules" board. Many of the 4chan communities are totally moral, from any standards: the cooking board (http://boards.4chan.org/ck http://boards.4chan.org/ck) is my favourite board on 4chan, and it's just discussion of tasty eats. As to copyrighted content, 4chan is the same as any other online message board that allows the embedding of images. 4chan has a staff of volunteer janitors to remove copyrighted content, and a smaller team of moderators to deal with repeat offenders. Moot talks: http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_m00t_poole_the_case_for_anonymity_online.html http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_m00t_poole_the_case_for... http://schedule.sxsw.com/2011/events/event_IAP000001 http://schedule.sxsw.com/2011/events/event_IAP000001 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtTR7hbR3tM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtTR7hbR3tM