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>there is one condition: He must cease his work aimed at inflicting damage to our American partners, as strange as it may sound from my lips.”< Didn't Snowden

by deletes 13y ago

>there is one condition: He must cease his work aimed at inflicting damage to our American partners, as strange as it may sound from my lips.”< Didn't Snowden already give all of his information to various persons around the world? Is he really revealing all of this from an airport?

skwirl 13y ago
Perhaps that is the game. It sounds like the U.S. is successfully pressuring Ecuador and Russia behind the scenes. If Russia wants to give Snowden over while saving face, this is the way to do it. Give him an ultimatum you already know he cannot possibly comply with. Then you make it look like his fault.
- notahacker 13y ago
  I see it as the opposite: Russia is completely in control here. They avoid complying with US wishes whilst portraying themselves as keen to avoid antagonism, get rhetorical ammunition to defend their own policies of censorship, and retain Snowden and any actually useful information he might actually be able to supply them with as a bargaining chip.
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- jessaustin 13y ago
  Maybe the USA is "successfully pressuring" Russia, but that thought inspires despair. Of all the things to pressure Russia about (e.g. their own civil liberties violations, the even-worse civil liberties violations in the former Soviet "republics", their support for Assad in Syria, nuclear proliferation, nuclear disarmament, organized crime, environmental degradation, their undermining of former Soviet-bloc nations, etc.), this is the choice of the Nobel Peace Prize Winner? Some fop who embarrassed General Surveillance and didn't actually threaten anyone's actual security?
1337biz 13y ago
Well, if he were a politician, he probably would make a statement regretting that he distributed the information and encouraging those with the information to not share it. (Of cause knowing that this is never going to happen.)

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skwirl 13y ago

Perhaps that is the game. It sounds like the U.S. is successfully pressuring Ecuador and Russia behind the scenes. If Russia wants to give Snowden over while saving face, this is the way to do it. Give him an ultimatum you already know he cannot possibly comply with. Then you make it look like his fault.

notahacker 13y ago
I see it as the opposite: Russia is completely in control here. They avoid complying with US wishes whilst portraying themselves as keen to avoid antagonism, get rhetorical ammunition to defend their own policies of censorship, and retain Snowden and any actually useful information he might actually be able to supply them with as a bargaining chip.
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jessaustin 13y ago
Maybe the USA is "successfully pressuring" Russia, but that thought inspires despair. Of all the things to pressure Russia about (e.g. their own civil liberties violations, the even-worse civil liberties violations in the former Soviet "republics", their support for Assad in Syria, nuclear proliferation, nuclear disarmament, organized crime, environmental degradation, their undermining of former Soviet-bloc nations, etc.), this is the choice of the Nobel Peace Prize Winner? Some fop who embarrassed General Surveillance and didn't actually threaten anyone's actual security?

1337biz 13y ago

Well, if he were a politician, he probably would make a statement regretting that he distributed the information and encouraging those with the information to not share it. (Of cause knowing that this is never going to happen.)