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So you have never had a cup of coffee or tea? I'm not aware of any adult I personally know who hasn't partaken of some substance that alters perception in some

by dwc 13y ago

So you have never had a cup of coffee or tea? I'm not aware of any adult I personally know who hasn't partaken of some substance that alters perception in some way. Though no doubt such individuals exist, such a state of absolute abstinence is not something I'd think of imposing on my children. Take into account the actual effects and remove social stigma and legal ramifications, and the substances I'd be ok with for my children would be different than current norms. Also, I've known quite a few people who have never had a drink, smoked pot, etc., and I respect their desires. Bit even they drank coffee or tea, or used other substances that alter mood or perception.

Xcelerate 13y ago
> So you have never had a cup of coffee or tea? No, actually. Both smell gross to me; I don't plan on trying either. ... but I do like Monsters. I see what your point is, but the paragraph I am referring to in the article specifically mentions marijuana. He uses the more conventional use of the word "drug" in that paragraph, and so I am simply continuing that usage than the more general form he was using in the rest of the article. Surely so many HN readers aren't getting caught up on these semantic distinctions throughout the article?
- icebraining 13y ago
  He uses the more conventional use of the word "drug" in that paragraph Uhm, he specifically mentions tea, coffee and alcohol, right in the third phrase of that paragraph.
- dwc 13y ago
  I don't feel these semantic distinctions are as distinct as all that. And they're not the same for everyone. I had a coworker who reported distinct euphoria from over-the-counter Motrin. So, semantics aside... I have two daughters myself. Personally I'm fine with them using mood/perception altering substances in a responsible manner. Or not, according to their druthers. The thing is, some substances have effects that go beyond the timeframe of any possible pharmacological effect. To have the experience of seeing things "fresh" as if through the eyes of a child is to know, experientially, that such a thing is possible as an adult. Truly knowing it's possible, one might occasionally make the effort to just look and experience, with fewer filters than is typical. This is a real and beneficial ability. Drugs are not the only way to get there, but they are one way.
- sneak 13y ago
  He's right. Your "I don't take drugs" is just arbitrary goalpost-moving. Knock that off.
  - Xcelerate 13y ago
    > Knock that off. Seriously? Your profile suggests you're friendlier than your comments do. What is the point of this comment? I already clarified what I meant to say plenty of times. I don't know what "goalpost-moving" is. I'm sure you know I was referring specifically to marijuana... since I said as much.

by dwc 13y ago

Xcelerate 13y ago

> So you have never had a cup of coffee or tea? No, actually. Both smell gross to me; I don't plan on trying either. ... but I do like Monsters. I see what your point is, but the paragraph I am referring to in the article specifically mentions marijuana. He uses the more conventional use of the word "drug" in that paragraph, and so I am simply continuing that usage than the more general form he was using in the rest of the article. Surely so many HN readers aren't getting caught up on these semantic distinctions throughout the article?

icebraining 13y ago
He uses the more conventional use of the word "drug" in that paragraph Uhm, he specifically mentions tea, coffee and alcohol, right in the third phrase of that paragraph.
dwc 13y ago
I don't feel these semantic distinctions are as distinct as all that. And they're not the same for everyone. I had a coworker who reported distinct euphoria from over-the-counter Motrin. So, semantics aside... I have two daughters myself. Personally I'm fine with them using mood/perception altering substances in a responsible manner. Or not, according to their druthers. The thing is, some substances have effects that go beyond the timeframe of any possible pharmacological effect. To have the experience of seeing things "fresh" as if through the eyes of a child is to know, experientially, that such a thing is possible as an adult. Truly knowing it's possible, one might occasionally make the effort to just look and experience, with fewer filters than is typical. This is a real and beneficial ability. Drugs are not the only way to get there, but they are one way.
sneak 13y ago
He's right. Your "I don't take drugs" is just arbitrary goalpost-moving. Knock that off.
- Xcelerate 13y ago
  > Knock that off. Seriously? Your profile suggests you're friendlier than your comments do. What is the point of this comment? I already clarified what I meant to say plenty of times. I don't know what "goalpost-moving" is. I'm sure you know I was referring specifically to marijuana... since I said as much.