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>greater potential for harm than ... other substances Uh ... this style of description would need more parameters for a proper classification of alcohol's 'abi

>greater potential for harm than ... other substances Uh ... this style of description would need more parameters for a proper classification of alcohol's 'abilities' in relation to other substances. >significant addiction potential This is PURELY on an individual basis i.e. that potential is relative per person. >long term harms associated with ... abuse Yep, very true. It's also true of almost ANY type of abuse. EDIT: Although, I do realize that this is just another: "Come on, marijuana is not any worse than alcohol" style argument. And for that singular case I would say: yeah sure your case holds up alright.

Nursie 13y ago
>>This style of description would need more parameters for a proper classification of alcohol's 'abilities' in relation to other substances Yes, it does need that. Luckily researchers do these sorts of measurements. I recommend reading things like "Drugs without the hot air" mentioned a few times in this thread. I'm posting from my phone so not going to look up references right now. >> This is PURELY on an individual basis... Different substances have different addiction profiles. Some people don't get addicted to tobacco. Most users don't get addicted to cocaine. Many people do develop alcohol addiction, and the addiction profile turns out to be higher than for many (not all) illegal drugs. >> It's also true of almost ANY type of abuse. Sure, but the actual harms from alcohol can be pretty damn awful compared to other things. I love my beer. But just because it's socially acceptable and not a problem in small amounts, we shouldn't make it immune to honest evaluation. And honest evaluation puts it higher up the scale of harm than a variety of other recreational drugs, many of which are illegal.
Nursie 13y ago
>> Although, I do realize that this is just another: "Come on, marijuana is not any worse than alcohol" style argument. And for that singular case I would say: yeah sure your case holds up alright. NO, It is absolutely not a "come on MJ is no worse that alcohol" argument. I'm not even making an argument here, I'm trying to tell you about the relative harms of alcohol, which you asked about. The addiction potential, short term and long term physical harm profiles for alcohol are much worse than for things like ecstasy, LSD and various others. I'm not trying to make an ideological point here. I'm not arguing for legalisation of everything, I'm not arguing at all. I'm just trying to answer your question, but you seem to want to cling to denial.

Nursie 13y ago

>>This style of description would need more parameters for a proper classification of alcohol's 'abilities' in relation to other substances Yes, it does need that. Luckily researchers do these sorts of measurements. I recommend reading things like "Drugs without the hot air" mentioned a few times in this thread. I'm posting from my phone so not going to look up references right now. >> This is PURELY on an individual basis... Different substances have different addiction profiles. Some people don't get addicted to tobacco. Most users don't get addicted to cocaine. Many people do develop alcohol addiction, and the addiction profile turns out to be higher than for many (not all) illegal drugs. >> It's also true of almost ANY type of abuse. Sure, but the actual harms from alcohol can be pretty damn awful compared to other things. I love my beer. But just because it's socially acceptable and not a problem in small amounts, we shouldn't make it immune to honest evaluation. And honest evaluation puts it higher up the scale of harm than a variety of other recreational drugs, many of which are illegal.

Nursie 13y ago

>> Although, I do realize that this is just another: "Come on, marijuana is not any worse than alcohol" style argument. And for that singular case I would say: yeah sure your case holds up alright. NO, It is absolutely not a "come on MJ is no worse that alcohol" argument. I'm not even making an argument here, I'm trying to tell you about the relative harms of alcohol, which you asked about. The addiction potential, short term and long term physical harm profiles for alcohol are much worse than for things like ecstasy, LSD and various others. I'm not trying to make an ideological point here. I'm not arguing for legalisation of everything, I'm not arguing at all. I'm just trying to answer your question, but you seem to want to cling to denial.