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An English article on these issues. Today from Spiegel Online: http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/eu-officials-furious-at-nsa-spying-in-brussels-and-ge

by susi22 13y ago

An English article on these issues. Today from Spiegel Online: http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/eu-officials-furious-at-nsa-spying-in-brussels-and-germany-a-908614.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/eu-officials-furi...

Vivtek 13y ago
Some have called for a suspension of talks on the trans-Atlantic free trade agreement. And now we start talking about costs to the United States.
- abraininavat 13y ago
  Costs to the US?? What do you mean?? But people have been blathering for weeks on HackerNews that the US spying on anyone who's a foreigner is good and right and expected! Surely they can't have neglected to consider that there's only so long you can fuck with people's liberties, whether within your own borders or without, before the lie is revealed and the system build around it crumbles. No, I won't buy it. I stand with HackerNews here. Spy on foreigners FTW!
  - krapp 13y ago
    Oh go stick your schadenfreude where the sun don't shine.
  - Vivtek 13y ago
    Well, speak for yourself. I'm a part of the community, too, and I certainly haven't noticed myself alone in expressing my outrage.
    - abraininavat 13y ago
      Guess you missed the sarcasm. I know it's the internet, but I thought I slathered it on pretty thick.
- arrrg 13y ago
  And Germany. Free trade is win-win, definitely when two countries are similarity developed. Not going forward with this would be stupid and benefit no one. It's not even a threat.
  - krbbltr 13y ago
    I'm not so sure. What if one of those countries is not actually sovereign? What if there is also one-sided industrial espionage happening on a massive scale? I'm not convinced it's win-win when the game is rigged. Maybe my reasoning is overly simplistic. Maybe I'm being paranoid. But I'm wary now of every agenda the US is pushing.
  - Vivtek 13y ago
    You're German, right? (Judging by other comments you've made.) You can sweat us a lot longer than we can sweat you. You haven't shipped your productive industries to China, you see. There will be free trade. But don't be surprised if the terms just got a shitload more favorable to Germany. This surveillance thing was boneheaded stupid - I doubt you can really grasp the extent to which Americans really don't understand the independent existence of other countries.

by susi22 13y ago

Vivtek 13y ago

Some have called for a suspension of talks on the trans-Atlantic free trade agreement. And now we start talking about costs to the United States.

abraininavat 13y ago
Costs to the US?? What do you mean?? But people have been blathering for weeks on HackerNews that the US spying on anyone who's a foreigner is good and right and expected! Surely they can't have neglected to consider that there's only so long you can fuck with people's liberties, whether within your own borders or without, before the lie is revealed and the system build around it crumbles. No, I won't buy it. I stand with HackerNews here. Spy on foreigners FTW!
- krapp 13y ago
  Oh go stick your schadenfreude where the sun don't shine.
- Vivtek 13y ago
  Well, speak for yourself. I'm a part of the community, too, and I certainly haven't noticed myself alone in expressing my outrage.
  - abraininavat 13y ago
    Guess you missed the sarcasm. I know it's the internet, but I thought I slathered it on pretty thick.
arrrg 13y ago
And Germany. Free trade is win-win, definitely when two countries are similarity developed. Not going forward with this would be stupid and benefit no one. It's not even a threat.
- krbbltr 13y ago
  I'm not so sure. What if one of those countries is not actually sovereign? What if there is also one-sided industrial espionage happening on a massive scale? I'm not convinced it's win-win when the game is rigged. Maybe my reasoning is overly simplistic. Maybe I'm being paranoid. But I'm wary now of every agenda the US is pushing.
- Vivtek 13y ago
  You're German, right? (Judging by other comments you've made.) You can sweat us a lot longer than we can sweat you. You haven't shipped your productive industries to China, you see. There will be free trade. But don't be surprised if the terms just got a shitload more favorable to Germany. This surveillance thing was boneheaded stupid - I doubt you can really grasp the extent to which Americans really don't understand the independent existence of other countries.