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Now my (naive?) hopes are a tiny bit higher that the American espionage suspects will get extradited from USA to Germany to face charges and possible punishment

Now my (naive?) hopes are a tiny bit higher that the American espionage suspects will get extradited from USA to Germany to face charges and possible punishments. Edit: has such action EVER taken place?

Vivtek 13y ago
Hahaha. Ask Dick Cheney, Henry Kissinger, and a whole host of other American bad actors who hesitate to leave the safe confines of the United States nowadays.
- lostnet 13y ago
  Perhaps Germany could create a program of secret renditions to fetch them...
- kriro 13y ago
  Kissinger was in Germany to watch his favourite soccer club play (Fürth). I'd say that counts as "leave the safe confines of the United States". He also celebrated his birthday in Fürth in 2012.
  - Vivtek 13y ago
    I wasn't actually talking about Germany. He does have to avoid countries that have declared him (accurately, in my opinion) a war criminal.
carbocation 13y ago
That has not and will not ever happen. If it were the will of the American people, it would still probably not happen. But it will not be the will of the American people. Foreign surveillance is not something that Americans are united against.
mark_l_watson 13y ago
I think there have been long standing arrest warrants for Donald Rumsfeld and (maybe) Dick Cheney in Germany for Iraq war crimes, but no extradition. Is this correct, or were some countries just talking about war crimes trials?
- Vivtek 13y ago
  I thought Brussels found against at least one of them - but I don't know for sure.
blauwbilgorgel 13y ago
I don't know if such an action ever took place, but Bush signed a law that will combat extradition of any US service member to a foreign criminal court. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Prote... Also called the "Invasion of the Hague act" since such freeing of US citizens by force might only be possible through an invasion of The Hague, Netherlands, the seat of several international criminal courts and the seat of the Dutch government. It has happened the other way around. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri Khalid El-Masri is a German citizen who was mistakenly abducted by the Macedonian Police, and handed-over to the U.S. CIA, whose officers interrogated, sodomized and tortured him. While in CIA hands, he was flown to Afghanistan, where he was held in a black site, interrogated, beaten, strip-searched and subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment, tantamount to torture. After El-Masri held hunger strikes, and was detained for four months in the "Salt Pit", the CIA finally admitted his arrest and torture were a mistake and released him. He is believed to be among an estimated 3,000 detainees whom the CIA has abducted from 2001-2005.

Vivtek 13y ago

Hahaha. Ask Dick Cheney, Henry Kissinger, and a whole host of other American bad actors who hesitate to leave the safe confines of the United States nowadays.

lostnet 13y ago
Perhaps Germany could create a program of secret renditions to fetch them...
kriro 13y ago
Kissinger was in Germany to watch his favourite soccer club play (Fürth). I'd say that counts as "leave the safe confines of the United States". He also celebrated his birthday in Fürth in 2012.
- Vivtek 13y ago
  I wasn't actually talking about Germany. He does have to avoid countries that have declared him (accurately, in my opinion) a war criminal.

carbocation 13y ago

That has not and will not ever happen. If it were the will of the American people, it would still probably not happen. But it will not be the will of the American people. Foreign surveillance is not something that Americans are united against.

mark_l_watson 13y ago

I think there have been long standing arrest warrants for Donald Rumsfeld and (maybe) Dick Cheney in Germany for Iraq war crimes, but no extradition. Is this correct, or were some countries just talking about war crimes trials?

Vivtek 13y ago
I thought Brussels found against at least one of them - but I don't know for sure.

blauwbilgorgel 13y ago

I don't know if such an action ever took place, but Bush signed a law that will combat extradition of any US service member to a foreign criminal court. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Prote... Also called the "Invasion of the Hague act" since such freeing of US citizens by force might only be possible through an invasion of The Hague, Netherlands, the seat of several international criminal courts and the seat of the Dutch government. It has happened the other way around. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri Khalid El-Masri is a German citizen who was mistakenly abducted by the Macedonian Police, and handed-over to the U.S. CIA, whose officers interrogated, sodomized and tortured him. While in CIA hands, he was flown to Afghanistan, where he was held in a black site, interrogated, beaten, strip-searched and subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment, tantamount to torture. After El-Masri held hunger strikes, and was detained for four months in the "Salt Pit", the CIA finally admitted his arrest and torture were a mistake and released him. He is believed to be among an estimated 3,000 detainees whom the CIA has abducted from 2001-2005.