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Is there really anything surprising with the notion that the US is spying on other country's official businesses? Did people think that the surveillance apparat

by rtpg 13y ago

Is there really anything surprising with the notion that the US is spying on other country's official businesses? Did people think that the surveillance apparatus just disappeared with the Berlin wall? I also wonder why people who are committing to official business aren't having everything encrypted anyways. I don't know how technically difficult it is to encrypt phone calls, but I can't imagine it being that hard.

JoeCoo7 13y ago
Are you serious? This is not wiretapping a single individual or group. They are spying on ALL people in Germany and violate the German constitution, and if the gov of Germany is involved (which is probably the case) this gets even worse. I wonder about all those people which think its normal/not surprising. I bet you had not the slightest idea about the scale of NSA spying. NSA even compromised EU offices and there is probably more to come. This reminds me of Cold War and allies should not be treated like that. By the way the German federal prosecution office has now stated its collecting data about the NSA spying (http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundesanwaltschaft-ueberprueft-nsa-ueberwachung-a-908617.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundesanwaltschaft...). NSA spying gets lots of media coverage now, this might also turn the tides in the upcoming election. Good luck pirate party!
- AlexeiSadeski 13y ago
  Of course it's normal, and of course "we" are not surprised y the scale of NSA spying. What did you think the NSA did if not this? Have all of their 40,000 employees listening in on Bin Laden's phone calls?
abraininavat 13y ago
Every time something is released, people like you come on HN to say, "Really, you're all so naive, were you really surprised?" Would you mind please telling us the next big development before it happens so that we can get a jump-start on being so surprised?
- jlgreco 13y ago
  Cases of industrial espionage unrelated or tenuously related to national security. Industrial espionage of the sort that the US government regularly gets bent out of shape accusing China of.
zuckermuehle 13y ago
If you don't get killed in the process. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_%28hacker%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_%28hacker%29

by rtpg 13y ago

JoeCoo7 13y ago

Are you serious? This is not wiretapping a single individual or group. They are spying on ALL people in Germany and violate the German constitution, and if the gov of Germany is involved (which is probably the case) this gets even worse. I wonder about all those people which think its normal/not surprising. I bet you had not the slightest idea about the scale of NSA spying. NSA even compromised EU offices and there is probably more to come. This reminds me of Cold War and allies should not be treated like that. By the way the German federal prosecution office has now stated its collecting data about the NSA spying (http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundesanwaltschaft-ueberprueft-nsa-ueberwachung-a-908617.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundesanwaltschaft...). NSA spying gets lots of media coverage now, this might also turn the tides in the upcoming election. Good luck pirate party!

AlexeiSadeski 13y ago
Of course it's normal, and of course "we" are not surprised y the scale of NSA spying. What did you think the NSA did if not this? Have all of their 40,000 employees listening in on Bin Laden's phone calls?

abraininavat 13y ago

Every time something is released, people like you come on HN to say, "Really, you're all so naive, were you really surprised?" Would you mind please telling us the next big development before it happens so that we can get a jump-start on being so surprised?

jlgreco 13y ago
Cases of industrial espionage unrelated or tenuously related to national security. Industrial espionage of the sort that the US government regularly gets bent out of shape accusing China of.

zuckermuehle 13y ago

If you don't get killed in the process. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_%28hacker%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_%28hacker%29