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Like that would ever happen. Especially in a country where US runs the shop since the end of WW2.

LinaLauneBaer 13y ago
Maybe I am misunderstanding you but I disagree that the US runs Germany. Or what do you mean by saying "the US runs the shop since the end of WW2"? Yes, the US has stationed troops and nuclear missels in Germany but this is far from "running the shop".
- Keyframe 13y ago
  I seriously doubt that even today Germany has a final say without US weighing in first in anything related to their military, intelligence, foreign policies. France on the other hand plays hard ball, I'd like to see something like that escalate in France.
  - 9h1d9j809s 13y ago
    I think Germany is fairly autonomous. However the conservative parties are basically US fanboys.
  - weinzierl 13y ago
    If you'd ask me a week ago who the U.S. is spying on the most in the EU, I'd told you without hesitation: France. One can only wonder...
    - cygx 13y ago
      Basically, the US never stopped spying on Germany after WW2. I'd guess they kept upgrading their hardware during the cold war, and apparently never stopped after its end. Also, the occupation authorities were instrumental in establishing the German intelligence service from the get-go, liberally making use of the existing NS personnel (Wikipedia[1] lists Reinhard Gehlen, Klaus Barbie, Alois Brunner, Wilhelm Krichbaum, Franz Rademacher, Walther Rauff, Konrad Fiebig, Franz Alfred Six as prominent examples). [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesnachrichtendienst#Geschichte http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesnachrichtendienst#Geschic...
- chj 13y ago
  Interesting. Is the US army inside Germany a left over from cold war? Do they have the capability to own the country if necessary?
  - JulienSchmidt 13y ago
    At least not by law http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAlliiertes_Vorbehaltsrecht&act=url http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&ie=UTF-8&u... And yes, the US army bases in Germany are left overs from the allied occupation after WW II
    - kaybe 13y ago
      The Heidelberg base is being abandoned by 2015. Lots of free space for student buildings! :)
      - Steph0r 13y ago
        If Heidelberg's administration is anything like Darmstadt's, the buildings will be abandoned and empty but well guarded till they fall into a state of dilapidation. At least by now none of the well maintained and repaired buildings there have been turned into student homes.
  - dsl 13y ago
    The US has the ability to take control of any country within 24 to 48 hours. Every year we draw up invasion plans for everyone else in the world. The CIA World Factbook [1] is the unclassified by-product of this effort if you are interested at poking into the details. As with any other country with a large standing army (Germany sits somewhere between South Korea and France in terms of capabilities), it would probably begin with large scale air strikes with stealth bombers against military targets. Within the first 4 hours, most militarized airfields and radar installations would be destroyed. The ground forces would invade from probably Italy and Poland, both highly US dependent states, assuming that France and the UK would stay neutral in such an attack. You'd probably see some guerrilla warfare because the Germans are strong-willed, but the vast majority of the population is westernized enough to not put up a real fight. But none of this would happen until the US has at least 2 carriers in the Baltic Sea, so Germany would definitely have advance warning, and hopefully the foresight to negotiate. Germany has no nuclear deterrent, as it simply hosts US missiles by way of NATO [2]. EDIT: This spells it out pretty clearly, the US has more helicopters than Germany has tanks ships and planes combined: http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp?form=form&country1=United-States-of-America&country2=Germany&Submit=Compare+Countries http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.a... 1. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/ https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/ 2. http://www.rusi.org/publications/occasionalpapers/ref:O4B991ABDC4148/ http://www.rusi.org/publications/occasionalpapers/ref:O4B991...
- subsection1h 13y ago
  I disagree that the US runs Germany. I wouldn't use the word "runs", but Germany often does what the US tells it to do. For example, the German government gave in to US pressure and didn't pass warrants to Interpol for the 13 CIA agents who were responsible for the kidnapping and torture of an innocent German citizen.[1][2] [1] http://wikileaks.org/cable/2007/02/07BERLIN242.html http://wikileaks.org/cable/2007/02/07BERLIN242.html [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri

Maybe I am misunderstanding you but I disagree that the US runs Germany. Or what do you mean by saying "the US runs the shop since the end of WW2"? Yes, the US has stationed troops and nuclear missels in Germany but this is far from "running the shop".

Keyframe 13y ago
I seriously doubt that even today Germany has a final say without US weighing in first in anything related to their military, intelligence, foreign policies. France on the other hand plays hard ball, I'd like to see something like that escalate in France.
- 9h1d9j809s 13y ago
  I think Germany is fairly autonomous. However the conservative parties are basically US fanboys.
- weinzierl 13y ago
  If you'd ask me a week ago who the U.S. is spying on the most in the EU, I'd told you without hesitation: France. One can only wonder...
  - cygx 13y ago
    Basically, the US never stopped spying on Germany after WW2. I'd guess they kept upgrading their hardware during the cold war, and apparently never stopped after its end. Also, the occupation authorities were instrumental in establishing the German intelligence service from the get-go, liberally making use of the existing NS personnel (Wikipedia[1] lists Reinhard Gehlen, Klaus Barbie, Alois Brunner, Wilhelm Krichbaum, Franz Rademacher, Walther Rauff, Konrad Fiebig, Franz Alfred Six as prominent examples). [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesnachrichtendienst#Geschichte http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesnachrichtendienst#Geschic...
chj 13y ago
Interesting. Is the US army inside Germany a left over from cold war? Do they have the capability to own the country if necessary?
- JulienSchmidt 13y ago
  At least not by law http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAlliiertes_Vorbehaltsrecht&act=url http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&ie=UTF-8&u... And yes, the US army bases in Germany are left overs from the allied occupation after WW II
  - kaybe 13y ago
    The Heidelberg base is being abandoned by 2015. Lots of free space for student buildings! :)
    - Steph0r 13y ago
      If Heidelberg's administration is anything like Darmstadt's, the buildings will be abandoned and empty but well guarded till they fall into a state of dilapidation. At least by now none of the well maintained and repaired buildings there have been turned into student homes.
- dsl 13y ago
  The US has the ability to take control of any country within 24 to 48 hours. Every year we draw up invasion plans for everyone else in the world. The CIA World Factbook [1] is the unclassified by-product of this effort if you are interested at poking into the details. As with any other country with a large standing army (Germany sits somewhere between South Korea and France in terms of capabilities), it would probably begin with large scale air strikes with stealth bombers against military targets. Within the first 4 hours, most militarized airfields and radar installations would be destroyed. The ground forces would invade from probably Italy and Poland, both highly US dependent states, assuming that France and the UK would stay neutral in such an attack. You'd probably see some guerrilla warfare because the Germans are strong-willed, but the vast majority of the population is westernized enough to not put up a real fight. But none of this would happen until the US has at least 2 carriers in the Baltic Sea, so Germany would definitely have advance warning, and hopefully the foresight to negotiate. Germany has no nuclear deterrent, as it simply hosts US missiles by way of NATO [2]. EDIT: This spells it out pretty clearly, the US has more helicopters than Germany has tanks ships and planes combined: http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp?form=form&country1=United-States-of-America&country2=Germany&Submit=Compare+Countries http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.a... 1. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/ https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/ 2. http://www.rusi.org/publications/occasionalpapers/ref:O4B991ABDC4148/ http://www.rusi.org/publications/occasionalpapers/ref:O4B991...
subsection1h 13y ago
I disagree that the US runs Germany. I wouldn't use the word "runs", but Germany often does what the US tells it to do. For example, the German government gave in to US pressure and didn't pass warrants to Interpol for the 13 CIA agents who were responsible for the kidnapping and torture of an innocent German citizen.[1][2] [1] http://wikileaks.org/cable/2007/02/07BERLIN242.html http://wikileaks.org/cable/2007/02/07BERLIN242.html [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri