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"Angriffsziel" in general is not synonymous with "military target". I'd translate it simply as "target".

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onli 13y ago
That would be wrong. Target is simply Ziel. Angriffsziel is attack target which has a military connotation. The translation is sound in that regard, though the real headline indeed is only "secret documents: NSA monitors 500 million connections in germany".
- _stephan 13y ago
  Eavesdropping or even "hacking" attacks don't have to be military in nature.
  - onli 13y ago
    That is correct. But in case of the US Internet War, it is. Hacking done by the NSA on a foreign country is not not military in nature.
    - _stephan 13y ago
      What "internet war" are you talking about? And although the NSA is an agency of the US DoD, I don't think they would consider all targets of their eavesdropping measures as "military" targets.
      - onli 13y ago
        The current one: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/18/opinion/schneier-cyberwar-policy http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/18/opinion/schneier-cyberwar-...
- Vivtek 13y ago
  Ziel is literally a target, but in truth it translates as "destination". "Angriffsziel" could be translated as "target" in this sense, so Stephan is not wrong - but perhaps soft-pedaling a little. Where you're right is that "Angriff" ("attack") makes "Angriffsziel" sufficiently explicit in its connotation of a military target. I'd consider "target of attack" in that "Angriff" doesn't necessarily connote a military attack, but could also imply, say, a hacking attack. Maybe "country of interest"?
  - onli 13y ago
    Ziel is both, it can mean target and destination. In that case, it is more of a target (attack destination? na, the NSA is not currently in an airplane flying into battle). > Maybe "country of interest"? Yeah maybe, but that sounds a bit harmless, doesn't it?
    - Vivtek 13y ago
      It does sound harmless, which is why it's the Orwell-approved nomenclature. In fifty years it won't sound at all harmless, and there will be a new euphemism. "Attack destination" made me smile. The English word destination doesn't work like that, but maybe it should.

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onli 13y ago

That would be wrong. Target is simply Ziel. Angriffsziel is attack target which has a military connotation. The translation is sound in that regard, though the real headline indeed is only "secret documents: NSA monitors 500 million connections in germany".

_stephan 13y ago
Eavesdropping or even "hacking" attacks don't have to be military in nature.
- onli 13y ago
  That is correct. But in case of the US Internet War, it is. Hacking done by the NSA on a foreign country is not not military in nature.
  - _stephan 13y ago
    What "internet war" are you talking about? And although the NSA is an agency of the US DoD, I don't think they would consider all targets of their eavesdropping measures as "military" targets.
    - onli 13y ago
      The current one: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/18/opinion/schneier-cyberwar-policy http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/18/opinion/schneier-cyberwar-...
Vivtek 13y ago
Ziel is literally a target, but in truth it translates as "destination". "Angriffsziel" could be translated as "target" in this sense, so Stephan is not wrong - but perhaps soft-pedaling a little. Where you're right is that "Angriff" ("attack") makes "Angriffsziel" sufficiently explicit in its connotation of a military target. I'd consider "target of attack" in that "Angriff" doesn't necessarily connote a military attack, but could also imply, say, a hacking attack. Maybe "country of interest"?
- onli 13y ago
  Ziel is both, it can mean target and destination. In that case, it is more of a target (attack destination? na, the NSA is not currently in an airplane flying into battle). > Maybe "country of interest"? Yeah maybe, but that sounds a bit harmless, doesn't it?
  - Vivtek 13y ago
    It does sound harmless, which is why it's the Orwell-approved nomenclature. In fifty years it won't sound at all harmless, and there will be a new euphemism. "Attack destination" made me smile. The English word destination doesn't work like that, but maybe it should.