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I agree. Germany was more of a "target", and considering involvements of the German muslim minority in 9/11 this isn't very surprising either. Still I really d

I agree. Germany was more of a "target", and considering involvements of the German muslim minority in 9/11 this isn't very surprising either. Still I really don't like what the NSA is doing to us...

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- arethuza 13y ago
  Probably a reference to the Hamburg Cell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_cell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_cell NB From what I can see most of the members of this group were not German nationals
  - bayesianhorse 13y ago
    Yes, but they were living in Germany, and we do have a small population of salafists, among which potential terrorists can hide. A lot of these salafists are indeed German nationals, some by birth and ethnicity. I'm also stressing that I don't find the surveillance "surprising", while I don't condone it in any way.
- accountoftheday 13y ago
  Some of the attackers previously lived as engineering students in Germany.
muuh-gnu 13y ago
Considering the massive immigration of Muslims and their continuing radicalization instead of assimilation, the whole of western Europe including Germany is going to turn into an "enemy" 20-30 years down the road. Europe is an US ally today not because of the geography, but because of the Europeans. But the Europeans have mostly given up making babies and will in 1-2 generations be mostly replaced by more fertile Muslims hostile to the US. For example the English population in the capital of the UK, has fallen below 50%. The English are already a ethnic minority in their own capital. It is just a matter of time when the people making decision about the UK nuke arsenal and military infrastructure are Muslims loyal not to the Queen but to Pakistan, Somalia or some other Jihadi US hating shithole. It would be silly to declare a quickly dying/changing continent an perpetual ally and stop monitoring them just because they have been allies 20 years ago.
- PanickedOmlette 13y ago
  Spot on. I am surprised you are not down voted by the hordes of politically correct people here.
  - brazzy 13y ago
    Spot on as an example of paranoid neo Nazi bullshit? Definitely. And you did a good job of adding then usual pathetic victim posturing sauce.
  - bayesianhorse 13y ago
    Really? Are we going to accuse people who uphold fact-checking, our respective constitutions and general political debate as "politically correct"? I haven't seen an argument why we shouldn't extend human rights to Muslims. And yes, what most people who talk about muslims committing more crimes on average (which is true, if you restrict it to the relative proportions and avoid any proper statistical analysis) are talking about is a violation of constitutional rights: It's impossible to punish millions of people for the crimes of the few.
- arethuza 13y ago
  You seem to think that if someone isn't "White British" then they are automatically a Muslim extremist. The ethnic breakdown of London is far more complex than that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_London http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_London At the moment, about 8.5% of London's population is Muslim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_London http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_London Also worth noting is that across the UK the Muslims only make up 2.7% of the population: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom I'm completely mystified how anyone could see this tiny minority as a threat - especially, as far as I can see, the overwhelming majority of this community are as decent and law-abiding as everyone else.
  - powertower 13y ago
    > I'm completely mystified how anyone could see this tiny minority as a threat... Paul Weston - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG77qpLi4oc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG77qpLi4oc There are a lot of people in the UK (near or in the parts that are "diverse", or "multicultural") that will disagree with you about the disproportionate amount of crime (murder, rape, mugging, etc) and destruction that is committed by the non-"White British", and the effects this has on the stability and prosperity of the country (and more than likely so will basic crime statistics). Just a few months ago there was a couple of non-"White British" guys trying to cut off a guy's head with a knife, hands covered in blood, while proclaiming something about their religion, god, and kin, on camera and in front of witnesses. > Also worth noting is that across the UK the Muslims only make up 2.7% of the population Yes. The fastest growing demographic in the country that will blow up in just a decade or two... It's not the 2 year olds you have to worry about, nor the 80 year olds, it's the 16-2x age group.

I agree. Germany was more of a "target", and considering involvements of the German muslim minority in 9/11 this isn't very surprising either. Still I really don't like what the NSA is doing to us...

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arethuza 13y ago
Probably a reference to the Hamburg Cell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_cell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_cell NB From what I can see most of the members of this group were not German nationals
- bayesianhorse 13y ago
  Yes, but they were living in Germany, and we do have a small population of salafists, among which potential terrorists can hide. A lot of these salafists are indeed German nationals, some by birth and ethnicity. I'm also stressing that I don't find the surveillance "surprising", while I don't condone it in any way.
accountoftheday 13y ago
Some of the attackers previously lived as engineering students in Germany.

muuh-gnu 13y ago

Considering the massive immigration of Muslims and their continuing radicalization instead of assimilation, the whole of western Europe including Germany is going to turn into an "enemy" 20-30 years down the road. Europe is an US ally today not because of the geography, but because of the Europeans. But the Europeans have mostly given up making babies and will in 1-2 generations be mostly replaced by more fertile Muslims hostile to the US. For example the English population in the capital of the UK, has fallen below 50%. The English are already a ethnic minority in their own capital. It is just a matter of time when the people making decision about the UK nuke arsenal and military infrastructure are Muslims loyal not to the Queen but to Pakistan, Somalia or some other Jihadi US hating shithole. It would be silly to declare a quickly dying/changing continent an perpetual ally and stop monitoring them just because they have been allies 20 years ago.

PanickedOmlette 13y ago
Spot on. I am surprised you are not down voted by the hordes of politically correct people here.
- brazzy 13y ago
  Spot on as an example of paranoid neo Nazi bullshit? Definitely. And you did a good job of adding then usual pathetic victim posturing sauce.
- bayesianhorse 13y ago
  Really? Are we going to accuse people who uphold fact-checking, our respective constitutions and general political debate as "politically correct"? I haven't seen an argument why we shouldn't extend human rights to Muslims. And yes, what most people who talk about muslims committing more crimes on average (which is true, if you restrict it to the relative proportions and avoid any proper statistical analysis) are talking about is a violation of constitutional rights: It's impossible to punish millions of people for the crimes of the few.
arethuza 13y ago
You seem to think that if someone isn't "White British" then they are automatically a Muslim extremist. The ethnic breakdown of London is far more complex than that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_London http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_London At the moment, about 8.5% of London's population is Muslim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_London http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_London Also worth noting is that across the UK the Muslims only make up 2.7% of the population: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom I'm completely mystified how anyone could see this tiny minority as a threat - especially, as far as I can see, the overwhelming majority of this community are as decent and law-abiding as everyone else.
- powertower 13y ago
  > I'm completely mystified how anyone could see this tiny minority as a threat... Paul Weston - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG77qpLi4oc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG77qpLi4oc There are a lot of people in the UK (near or in the parts that are "diverse", or "multicultural") that will disagree with you about the disproportionate amount of crime (murder, rape, mugging, etc) and destruction that is committed by the non-"White British", and the effects this has on the stability and prosperity of the country (and more than likely so will basic crime statistics). Just a few months ago there was a couple of non-"White British" guys trying to cut off a guy's head with a knife, hands covered in blood, while proclaiming something about their religion, god, and kin, on camera and in front of witnesses. > Also worth noting is that across the UK the Muslims only make up 2.7% of the population Yes. The fastest growing demographic in the country that will blow up in just a decade or two... It's not the 2 year olds you have to worry about, nor the 80 year olds, it's the 16-2x age group.