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This article conveniently left out Palantir's reply to the HBGary email leak. http://www.thetechherald.com/articles/Firm-targeting-WikiLeaks-cuts-ties-with-HBGa

by Permit 13y ago

This article conveniently left out Palantir's reply to the HBGary email leak. http://www.thetechherald.com/articles/Firm-targeting-WikiLeaks-cuts-ties-with-HBGary-apologizes-to-reporter/12767/ http://www.thetechherald.com/articles/Firm-targeting-WikiLea... They can't even do what Aaron Barr was asking of them. Please approach this article with some level of skepticism. Especially after the last round of discussions[1] we had surrounding the bogus connection Palantir was alleged to have with the NSA. (Due the naming of an internal project which shared the name "Prism"). [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5839305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5839305

lawnchair_larry 13y ago
They do have a connection to the NSA, just not that connection. Also, that reply was after the leak, in PR disaster recovery mode, so its value is rather diminished.
- Permit 13y ago
  The point is you can't condemn Palantir for something Aaron Barr asked of them. You can't condemn Google for something I ask of them. Even in the event they were able to do what he requested, you can only fault them if they carried that action out. I'd challenge you to show that they did carry Aaron Barr's request out.
  - detcader 13y ago
    Barr seemed to think the CEO of Palantir was the kind of person he could share a plot to disrupt/destroy a journalist's career with, didn't he? (That journalist being Glenn Greenwald, now the Snowden leak publisher)
    - meepmorp 13y ago
      > Barr seemed to think the CEO of Palantir was the kind of person he could share a plot to disrupt/destroy a journalist's career with, didn't he? So, what? Now it's not even guilt by association, but guilt by one party stating a desire to associate with the other?
SilasX 13y ago
>They can't even do what Aaron Barr was asking of them. For that matter, they can't even do what Lessig was gushing about: >>there's a company called Palantir who's built a technology to make it absolutely, make you absolutely confident that a particular bit of data has been used precisely as the government says it's supposed to be used. You can find out exactly who's looked at it and for what purpose it's been used at. So the point is there's a way to build the technology to give us this liberty back, this privacy back. But it's not a priority to think about using code to protect us. Wha? There's always been code that can tell you who accessed what and when: the problem is trusting it to be set up right, not the technology. Anyone know what the actual Palantir accomplishment is?
- samstave 13y ago
  >Anyone know what the actual Palantir accomplishment is? Gaining Government contracts?
- dantheman 13y ago
  Palantir is tool for doing link analysis and importing structured, semi-structured, and unstructured data. It has a great UI for exploring data and a great UI for manual tagging of data. It has excellent logging capabilities, but I'd argue "data has been used precisely as the government says it's supposed to be used" this is impossible since once a person knows a piece of information they can use it in anyway that they'd like.

by Permit 13y ago

lawnchair_larry 13y ago

They do have a connection to the NSA, just not that connection. Also, that reply was after the leak, in PR disaster recovery mode, so its value is rather diminished.

Permit 13y ago
The point is you can't condemn Palantir for something Aaron Barr asked of them. You can't condemn Google for something I ask of them. Even in the event they were able to do what he requested, you can only fault them if they carried that action out. I'd challenge you to show that they did carry Aaron Barr's request out.
- detcader 13y ago
  Barr seemed to think the CEO of Palantir was the kind of person he could share a plot to disrupt/destroy a journalist's career with, didn't he? (That journalist being Glenn Greenwald, now the Snowden leak publisher)
  - meepmorp 13y ago
    > Barr seemed to think the CEO of Palantir was the kind of person he could share a plot to disrupt/destroy a journalist's career with, didn't he? So, what? Now it's not even guilt by association, but guilt by one party stating a desire to associate with the other?

SilasX 13y ago

>They can't even do what Aaron Barr was asking of them. For that matter, they can't even do what Lessig was gushing about: >>there's a company called Palantir who's built a technology to make it absolutely, make you absolutely confident that a particular bit of data has been used precisely as the government says it's supposed to be used. You can find out exactly who's looked at it and for what purpose it's been used at. So the point is there's a way to build the technology to give us this liberty back, this privacy back. But it's not a priority to think about using code to protect us. Wha? There's always been code that can tell you who accessed what and when: the problem is trusting it to be set up right, not the technology. Anyone know what the actual Palantir accomplishment is?

samstave 13y ago
>Anyone know what the actual Palantir accomplishment is? Gaining Government contracts?
dantheman 13y ago
Palantir is tool for doing link analysis and importing structured, semi-structured, and unstructured data. It has a great UI for exploring data and a great UI for manual tagging of data. It has excellent logging capabilities, but I'd argue "data has been used precisely as the government says it's supposed to be used" this is impossible since once a person knows a piece of information they can use it in anyway that they'd like.