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Exactly. It also means that the statements issued by those companies after the initial leak were misleading at best, and arguably, outright lies.

themgt 13y ago
Really seems kind of amazingly stupid to release those statements if the details being published here are anything close to accurate - wouldn't they have known the WP knew and could prove they were lying? The amount of trust in these companies going forward should be zero. There is going to be a huge market in replacing essentially any/all of these services with ones physically and legally outside of the USA, with companies that vow to never voluntarily cooperate with the American surveillance state.
- eightyone 13y ago
  It really seems like these companies and the government are seriously underestimating the amount of information that Glenn Greenwald and friends have. This is why I love the strategy of slowly leaking out information. It let's us catch the government and companies involved lying and making contradictions. I agree. Also companies that fully embrace encryption and not having access to your data. I deleted my Dropbox account the first day they were implicated as a "work in progress" or whatever. I've been using BitTorrent Sync and it's working pretty well. There is still some work to be done, though. I've been meaning to take a good look at SpiderOak.
- thrownaway2424 13y ago
  There doesn't seem to be any reason to believe these slides and whatnot are close to accurate at all.
  - dmix 13y ago
    My only question: with massive data centers owned by Google/Microsoft/FB etc, is onsite direct data retrieval really possible or practical?
- siddboots 13y ago
  > There is going to be a huge market in replacing essentially any/all of these services with ones physically and legally outside of the USA, with companies that vow to never voluntarily cooperate with the American surveillance state. No. This shows the opposite. It shows that we can't place trust in jurisdiction anymore, and it shows that we can't trust companies who "vow" not to be evil. If there is a "huge market" it is in replacing services with ones that provide cryptographic assurance that my data and communications are secure from any third party, and ideally, from the hosting company itself.
  - Amadou 13y ago
    It would be nice if all these disclosures resulted in Eben Moglen's "Freedom Box" project getting a boost: https://freedomboxfoundation.org/learn/ https://freedomboxfoundation.org/learn/

themgt 13y ago

Really seems kind of amazingly stupid to release those statements if the details being published here are anything close to accurate - wouldn't they have known the WP knew and could prove they were lying? The amount of trust in these companies going forward should be zero. There is going to be a huge market in replacing essentially any/all of these services with ones physically and legally outside of the USA, with companies that vow to never voluntarily cooperate with the American surveillance state.

eightyone 13y ago
It really seems like these companies and the government are seriously underestimating the amount of information that Glenn Greenwald and friends have. This is why I love the strategy of slowly leaking out information. It let's us catch the government and companies involved lying and making contradictions. I agree. Also companies that fully embrace encryption and not having access to your data. I deleted my Dropbox account the first day they were implicated as a "work in progress" or whatever. I've been using BitTorrent Sync and it's working pretty well. There is still some work to be done, though. I've been meaning to take a good look at SpiderOak.
thrownaway2424 13y ago
There doesn't seem to be any reason to believe these slides and whatnot are close to accurate at all.
- dmix 13y ago
  My only question: with massive data centers owned by Google/Microsoft/FB etc, is onsite direct data retrieval really possible or practical?
siddboots 13y ago
> There is going to be a huge market in replacing essentially any/all of these services with ones physically and legally outside of the USA, with companies that vow to never voluntarily cooperate with the American surveillance state. No. This shows the opposite. It shows that we can't place trust in jurisdiction anymore, and it shows that we can't trust companies who "vow" not to be evil. If there is a "huge market" it is in replacing services with ones that provide cryptographic assurance that my data and communications are secure from any third party, and ideally, from the hosting company itself.
- Amadou 13y ago
  It would be nice if all these disclosures resulted in Eben Moglen's "Freedom Box" project getting a boost: https://freedomboxfoundation.org/learn/ https://freedomboxfoundation.org/learn/