> The credibility of the documents he revealed is the only thing that matters. That's essentially my point WRT Snowden. The very documents he leaked were incon

> The credibility of the documents he revealed is the only thing that matters. That's essentially my point WRT Snowden. The very documents he leaked were inconsistent with his story. Now everything else that was leaked the government can claim that the people are missing the context of, and about a million other debate/propaganda techniques that come into play when you are able to show that the messenger himself has biased their reporting. > Also, any association with china, russia or ecuador is irrelevant. It's not irrelevant, and I explained why already. The impetus for change will have to come from the people. By fleeing and making it Assange vs. the U.S. (again) Snowden has made it that much less likely that the American people will see the situation in terms of an assault on them personally, and more likely that they will see it as an assault on America by unpopular foreign governments. What you are saying would be true if it didn't matter what the people thought, but public opinion actually counts for a lot, even in America.