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I'm not convinced Oracle (ORCL), listed on both the S&P-500 and the NASDAQ-100, needs or will accept bug fixing donations, especially since MySQL is a competito

I'm not convinced Oracle (ORCL), listed on both the S&P-500 and the NASDAQ-100, needs or will accept bug fixing donations, especially since MySQL is a competitor to their flagship Oracle DB and there was quite a lot of disgruntlement around the acquisition. Maybe if you gave money to MariaDB it would work.

famousactress 13y ago
Agreed, fuck 'em (not that you were saying that, but I am). My point was I want something like this for projects and bugs I care about in general. I don't care about this bug, but can relate to the cake-maker. To anyone not yet familiar, Maria is a really exciting fork of MySQL - https://mariadb.org/ https://mariadb.org/
- amenod 13y ago
  Do you have some info about MariaDB adoption rates?
  - JonnieCache 13y ago
    It's recently replaced mysql in redhat builds, so it's definitely on the up.
    - ldng 13y ago
      And in OpenSuse, Arch and Slakware. Looks like to me the trend is set.
    - lvillani 13y ago
      > It's recently replaced mysql in redhat builds, so it's definitely on the up. "Red Hat's Director of Product Marketing, Mark Coggin, told various media outlets that the company has not made any decision or made an announcement about which database technology will be in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7." -- "Red Hat Says No MariaDB/MySQL Decision Made." The H Online, 18 June 2013 (http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Red-Hat-says-no-MariaDB-MySQL-decision-made-1891543.html http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Red-Hat-says-no-Maria...)
dragonwriter 13y ago
> MySQL is a competitor to their flagship Oracle DB Does it really? I mean, sure, they are both RDBMS's, but that's a pretty broad market. Are there really that many use cases where, with the current market, people who are using MySQL would have Oracle as their next choice or vice versa? I can see an argument that MySQL competes with some of the same products that Oracle DB competes with (but in different market segments than where Oracle DB does), but I don't see them as directly competitive in any significant sense.
- xroja 13y ago
  My project is in that position. We have access to an Oracle site license so we use it. However, we're considering move to a "competing" db, probably postgresql or mysql. I'm not a certified DBA so take this with a grain of salt, but it seems that any non-trivial use of Oracle systems ramp up in cost very quickly. Both in terms of hard cash and time in education/training.
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    > We have access to an Oracle site license so we use it. However, we're considering move to a "competing" db, probably postgresql or mysql. Good point; I was considering mostly the situation where there isn't something already on hand, but it makes sense that there would be quite a lot of times where MySQL and Oracle DB are considered alternatives for a new project/application by shops who already have an existing installation of one or the other.
- tomphoolery 13y ago
  To me, that's kind-of like saying the MacBook Air is a competitor to Apple's flagship MacBook Pro. They're two different products, made by the same company, doing pretty much the same thing but designed for different use cases. It's the way I always felt about Oracle vs. MySQL, even back before Oracle owned MySQL, that they are two different RDBMS platforms designed for two different use cases. These days, that line may be blurred a little bit, and you can see how both paradigms (and more!) can be combined into a single product with PostgreSQL, but I feel like the MacBook analogy really sums up the way I feel about these two systems.
tonylampada 13y ago
Oracle might not accept bug fixing donations. But it should accept bug fixing patches from an independent developer. And that developer might accept a bug fixing donation. That's where a service like http://freedomsponsors.org http://freedomsponsors.org comes in handy ;-)
lotsofcows 13y ago
Fortunately, lots of people other than Oracle work on the MySQL code. They would be susceptible to bug fixing donations. Hell, you could outright hire a Percona consultant.

famousactress 13y ago

Agreed, fuck 'em (not that you were saying that, but I am). My point was I want something like this for projects and bugs I care about in general. I don't care about this bug, but can relate to the cake-maker. To anyone not yet familiar, Maria is a really exciting fork of MySQL - https://mariadb.org/ https://mariadb.org/

amenod 13y ago
Do you have some info about MariaDB adoption rates?
- JonnieCache 13y ago
  It's recently replaced mysql in redhat builds, so it's definitely on the up.
  - ldng 13y ago
    And in OpenSuse, Arch and Slakware. Looks like to me the trend is set.
  - lvillani 13y ago
    > It's recently replaced mysql in redhat builds, so it's definitely on the up. "Red Hat's Director of Product Marketing, Mark Coggin, told various media outlets that the company has not made any decision or made an announcement about which database technology will be in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7." -- "Red Hat Says No MariaDB/MySQL Decision Made." The H Online, 18 June 2013 (http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Red-Hat-says-no-MariaDB-MySQL-decision-made-1891543.html http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Red-Hat-says-no-Maria...)

dragonwriter 13y ago

> MySQL is a competitor to their flagship Oracle DB Does it really? I mean, sure, they are both RDBMS's, but that's a pretty broad market. Are there really that many use cases where, with the current market, people who are using MySQL would have Oracle as their next choice or vice versa? I can see an argument that MySQL competes with some of the same products that Oracle DB competes with (but in different market segments than where Oracle DB does), but I don't see them as directly competitive in any significant sense.

xroja 13y ago
My project is in that position. We have access to an Oracle site license so we use it. However, we're considering move to a "competing" db, probably postgresql or mysql. I'm not a certified DBA so take this with a grain of salt, but it seems that any non-trivial use of Oracle systems ramp up in cost very quickly. Both in terms of hard cash and time in education/training.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > We have access to an Oracle site license so we use it. However, we're considering move to a "competing" db, probably postgresql or mysql. Good point; I was considering mostly the situation where there isn't something already on hand, but it makes sense that there would be quite a lot of times where MySQL and Oracle DB are considered alternatives for a new project/application by shops who already have an existing installation of one or the other.
tomphoolery 13y ago
To me, that's kind-of like saying the MacBook Air is a competitor to Apple's flagship MacBook Pro. They're two different products, made by the same company, doing pretty much the same thing but designed for different use cases. It's the way I always felt about Oracle vs. MySQL, even back before Oracle owned MySQL, that they are two different RDBMS platforms designed for two different use cases. These days, that line may be blurred a little bit, and you can see how both paradigms (and more!) can be combined into a single product with PostgreSQL, but I feel like the MacBook analogy really sums up the way I feel about these two systems.

tonylampada 13y ago

Oracle might not accept bug fixing donations. But it should accept bug fixing patches from an independent developer. And that developer might accept a bug fixing donation. That's where a service like http://freedomsponsors.org http://freedomsponsors.org comes in handy ;-)

lotsofcows 13y ago

Fortunately, lots of people other than Oracle work on the MySQL code. They would be susceptible to bug fixing donations. Hell, you could outright hire a Percona consultant.