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Yeah, no, Geocities might have had 0.01% worthwhile content but it was a vast wasteland of garbage. The reason being that's what a platform like Geocities enab

by ebbv 13y ago

Yeah, no, Geocities might have had 0.01% worthwhile content but it was a vast wasteland of garbage. The reason being that's what a platform like Geocities enables; garbage. It empowers people who are willing to put in basically no effort to make a static page with no scripting. That's not a recipe for amazing content, that's a recipe for bottom barrel content. Really, any platform that enables everybody to contribute anything they want is going to sink to the lowest common denominator. The platform needs a built in way to highlight the best of it to have any worth whatsoever. Most Twitter feeds are unreadable garbage, the reason the platform is a success though is that it has built in ways to find, discover and follow the very best it has to offer. It's also got a very narrow use case that happens to coincide very well with the skills of comedians and comedy writers. Geocities' narrow use case only coincides with the skills and talents of artists, and they already have Deviantart and their own gallery websites. There's no compelling reason for them to use Geocities/Neocities as their platform. Best of luck but I'm skeptical this is going to ultimately be worthwhile.

PavlovsCat 13y ago
What happened to making a website for yourself, or to show to friends? What's so wrong with making a bad website rather than none?
- ebbv 13y ago
  The argument here isn't between people being able to make websites or not. The point is "Is Geocities as a platform worth anything?" People can make websites themselves elsewhere.
  - sejje 13y ago
    And they can easily make great websites at geocities. I don't understand your objection to this service.
  - sanderjd 13y ago
    Not nearly so easily and cheaply as they once could on Geocities. It seems true to me that it is actually more difficult and expensive to put up a simple amateur static arbitrary page of HTML in 2013 than it was in 1999. Even ignoring idealism and nostalgia aside, there is clearly an unfilled niche here.
minikites 13y ago
You can use a lot of that same logic to justify any elitism. If anybody can come to this restaurant, it won't be a great restaurant, so we have to exclude those people. How many future web designers cut their teeth making terrible Geocities websites? Just because something is terrible doesn't mean you didn't learn something. The forest would be pretty quiet if only the best birds sang.
- ebbv 13y ago
  Your analogy is terrible. The people coming to the restaurant don't make the food at the restaurant. If they did, that WOULD be a terrible restaurant. Your second argument in favor of Geocities is that future brilliant web designers may use it? Ok they might, but if Geocities didn't exist they'd use something else. And I'd argue they'd learn faster and better habits by learning with some other tool.
  - minikites 13y ago
    The patrons of a restaurant contribute their appearance. A fancy restaurant is going to want to exclude people that aren't fancy, because that would be contributing "garbage" to the atmosphere. If you were a librarian, would you only make the top 100 novels available? Why circulate books that aren't the best?
- macspoofing 13y ago
  But it was a vast wasteland of garbage.
  - Afforess 13y ago
    Is that inherently a bad thing?
  - chris_mahan 13y ago
    Since Worse is Better, Garbage is Awesome?
- icebraining 13y ago
sejje 13y ago
The web itself is a vast wasteland of garbage, you just manage not to visit most of it. Don't visit the neocities domain, and your problem is still solved.
CyberDroiD 13y ago
The guy is doing it for fun. None of your arguments or concerns are applicable.
MrBra 13y ago
If it wasn't for geocities, i would have never realized my first website, which was the first step to learn HTML, which was the first step in dreaming of developing a web application, which is what I do today. Of course geocities did not force you to obey to strict rules in your design, but many of us are programmers, and we have this particular tendency to try stick to guidelines even when not needed :), so I'd say, it was not Geocities responsability, but it's user's and a power user will never try to code in a messy way, but instead will try to inform himself day after day on best practices, standars, and reflect this in his code. But here came the power of Geocities! It helped you at that stage where you were not yet a pro, perhaps you dreamt of becoming one, but at that moment you just needed the enthusiasm boost of being able to create SOMETHING YOURS, UNIQUE, A REAL SIGN OF YOURSELF and being able for the first time ever in human history to share it instantly WITH THE WHOLE(connected)WORLD! I remember this giving chills to me! :) And yet you could learn more from it! Compare this with being forced to obey to strict standards and guidelines right from the beginning.. of your learning experience ["hey avoid table, it's devil" when you are happy you finally managed to share your vinil collection (and mp3z? :) ) of your fav bands with the entire world for the first time in your (teen) life!] We all now how much important is REWARD while learning new technologies at those early stages! Geocities, and also similar sites, were the fuel to start your engine and get to your first MULTIUSER "APP"(kind of) REWARD! what is the value of that? :)
epsylon 13y ago
> make a static page with no scripting. Well, in my book, that's a recipe for great content.
derleth 13y ago
If you're threatened by people being able to make free websites, you need to re-evaluate your life.

by ebbv 13y ago

PavlovsCat 13y ago

What happened to making a website for yourself, or to show to friends? What's so wrong with making a bad website rather than none?

ebbv 13y ago
The argument here isn't between people being able to make websites or not. The point is "Is Geocities as a platform worth anything?" People can make websites themselves elsewhere.
- sejje 13y ago
  And they can easily make great websites at geocities. I don't understand your objection to this service.
- sanderjd 13y ago
  Not nearly so easily and cheaply as they once could on Geocities. It seems true to me that it is actually more difficult and expensive to put up a simple amateur static arbitrary page of HTML in 2013 than it was in 1999. Even ignoring idealism and nostalgia aside, there is clearly an unfilled niche here.

minikites 13y ago

You can use a lot of that same logic to justify any elitism. If anybody can come to this restaurant, it won't be a great restaurant, so we have to exclude those people. How many future web designers cut their teeth making terrible Geocities websites? Just because something is terrible doesn't mean you didn't learn something. The forest would be pretty quiet if only the best birds sang.

ebbv 13y ago
Your analogy is terrible. The people coming to the restaurant don't make the food at the restaurant. If they did, that WOULD be a terrible restaurant. Your second argument in favor of Geocities is that future brilliant web designers may use it? Ok they might, but if Geocities didn't exist they'd use something else. And I'd argue they'd learn faster and better habits by learning with some other tool.
- minikites 13y ago
  The patrons of a restaurant contribute their appearance. A fancy restaurant is going to want to exclude people that aren't fancy, because that would be contributing "garbage" to the atmosphere. If you were a librarian, would you only make the top 100 novels available? Why circulate books that aren't the best?
macspoofing 13y ago
But it was a vast wasteland of garbage.
- Afforess 13y ago
  Is that inherently a bad thing?
- chris_mahan 13y ago
  Since Worse is Better, Garbage is Awesome?
icebraining 13y ago

sejje 13y ago

The web itself is a vast wasteland of garbage, you just manage not to visit most of it. Don't visit the neocities domain, and your problem is still solved.

CyberDroiD 13y ago

The guy is doing it for fun. None of your arguments or concerns are applicable.

MrBra 13y ago

If it wasn't for geocities, i would have never realized my first website, which was the first step to learn HTML, which was the first step in dreaming of developing a web application, which is what I do today. Of course geocities did not force you to obey to strict rules in your design, but many of us are programmers, and we have this particular tendency to try stick to guidelines even when not needed :), so I'd say, it was not Geocities responsability, but it's user's and a power user will never try to code in a messy way, but instead will try to inform himself day after day on best practices, standars, and reflect this in his code. But here came the power of Geocities! It helped you at that stage where you were not yet a pro, perhaps you dreamt of becoming one, but at that moment you just needed the enthusiasm boost of being able to create SOMETHING YOURS, UNIQUE, A REAL SIGN OF YOURSELF and being able for the first time ever in human history to share it instantly WITH THE WHOLE(connected)WORLD! I remember this giving chills to me! :) And yet you could learn more from it! Compare this with being forced to obey to strict standards and guidelines right from the beginning.. of your learning experience ["hey avoid table, it's devil" when you are happy you finally managed to share your vinil collection (and mp3z? :) ) of your fav bands with the entire world for the first time in your (teen) life!] We all now how much important is REWARD while learning new technologies at those early stages! Geocities, and also similar sites, were the fuel to start your engine and get to your first MULTIUSER "APP"(kind of) REWARD! what is the value of that? :)

epsylon 13y ago

> make a static page with no scripting. Well, in my book, that's a recipe for great content.

derleth 13y ago

If you're threatened by people being able to make free websites, you need to re-evaluate your life.