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There is a white house petition to allow tesla to sell directly to consumers in all 50 states. Please sign. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-te

There is a white house petition to allow tesla to sell directly to consumers in all 50 states. Please sign. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-tesla-motors-sell-directly-consumers-all-50-states/bFN7NHQR https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-tesla-motors...

nolok 13y ago
Why make a petition that allows it for Tesla, and not one that allows the same thing for every constructor ?
- rfnslyr 13y ago
  Do these petition sites actually ever do anything? All I can think when I see them is "wow what a clever data mine".
  - ishansharma 13y ago
    The petition site here is WhiteHouse.gov and has done quite a few things in past. Other sites though, I have similar thoughts!
    - jessaustin 13y ago
      Examples please? It's an honest question; I really can't think of anything.
      - rallison 13y ago
        The white house released the recipe for their honey ale in response to a petition: http://m.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/09/01/ale-chief-white-house-beer-recipe http://m.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/09/01/ale-chief-white-hous...
        jessaustin 13y ago
        Hahaha. I'm glad that one didn't require a FOIA req.
philfreo 13y ago
I'm a big Tesla fan, but is it really the job of the white house to tell states how to regulate commerce? I could be wrong but it doesn't seem like this is an interstate commerce issue if Tesla is trying to actually open shops in each state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause#Role_of_the_political_process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause#Role_of_the_po...
- anonymoushn 13y ago
  If we assume that growing wheat on your own land for the purpose of eating it is interstate commerce, I would have no problem believing that a multi-state company selling cars in each state is interstate commerce. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn
  - SGCleveland 13y ago
    I suppose due to precedent that decision can't be overturned since it was over 60 years ago. But it still blows my mind that the Court ruled that explicitly not engaging in interstate commerce, or commerce of any kind, is in itself, interstate commerce.
    - maratd 13y ago
      > I suppose due to precedent that decision can't be overturned since it was over 60 years ago. It can be and the Supreme Court has done it before, but you will need a slate of judges that will willingly curtail their own reach and that of the rest of the federal government. Good luck with that.
      - rayiner 13y ago
        Uh, the Rehnquist and Roberts courts have spent collectively two decades scaling back all the power the liberal courts decided for themselves in the 1960's and 1970's.
    - clarkmoody 13y ago
maratd 13y ago
I am all for the free market, but this should really be hashed out on the state level. You really don't want the federal government involved.
- bobo13579 13y ago
  Why not? You'd have to pass laws in every state, which would be extremely difficult. Why not just pass one federal law instead?
  - maratd 13y ago
    > Why not just pass one federal law instead? You really think it'll be some simple thing like "no dealerships are ok" and that's that? No, that's not how things work in Washington. Everybody would get to add a little bit and more than likely it'll say "Tesla no dealerships are ok" or some other crap granting special rights to somebody. That's just how things go. Pass. I would rather existing state laws are overturned in court, so we're subtracting, not adding.
enraged_camel 13y ago
For the love of god, when will people realize that the vast majority of those petitions do absolutely nothing, except perhaps give the signers a nice warm feeling of having done something (when they actually haven't)?
- bobo13579 13y ago
  The petition is quite awful too. The law should allow any manufacturer to sell directly. The petition won't do anything, but at least it gives this issue publicity.

nolok 13y ago

Why make a petition that allows it for Tesla, and not one that allows the same thing for every constructor ?

rfnslyr 13y ago
Do these petition sites actually ever do anything? All I can think when I see them is "wow what a clever data mine".
- ishansharma 13y ago
  The petition site here is WhiteHouse.gov and has done quite a few things in past. Other sites though, I have similar thoughts!
  - jessaustin 13y ago
    Examples please? It's an honest question; I really can't think of anything.
    - rallison 13y ago
      The white house released the recipe for their honey ale in response to a petition: http://m.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/09/01/ale-chief-white-house-beer-recipe http://m.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/09/01/ale-chief-white-hous...
      - jessaustin 13y ago
        Hahaha. I'm glad that one didn't require a FOIA req.

philfreo 13y ago

I'm a big Tesla fan, but is it really the job of the white house to tell states how to regulate commerce? I could be wrong but it doesn't seem like this is an interstate commerce issue if Tesla is trying to actually open shops in each state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause#Role_of_the_political_process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause#Role_of_the_po...

anonymoushn 13y ago
If we assume that growing wheat on your own land for the purpose of eating it is interstate commerce, I would have no problem believing that a multi-state company selling cars in each state is interstate commerce. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn
- SGCleveland 13y ago
  I suppose due to precedent that decision can't be overturned since it was over 60 years ago. But it still blows my mind that the Court ruled that explicitly not engaging in interstate commerce, or commerce of any kind, is in itself, interstate commerce.
  - maratd 13y ago
    > I suppose due to precedent that decision can't be overturned since it was over 60 years ago. It can be and the Supreme Court has done it before, but you will need a slate of judges that will willingly curtail their own reach and that of the rest of the federal government. Good luck with that.
    - rayiner 13y ago
      Uh, the Rehnquist and Roberts courts have spent collectively two decades scaling back all the power the liberal courts decided for themselves in the 1960's and 1970's.
  - clarkmoody 13y ago

maratd 13y ago

I am all for the free market, but this should really be hashed out on the state level. You really don't want the federal government involved.

bobo13579 13y ago
Why not? You'd have to pass laws in every state, which would be extremely difficult. Why not just pass one federal law instead?
- maratd 13y ago
  > Why not just pass one federal law instead? You really think it'll be some simple thing like "no dealerships are ok" and that's that? No, that's not how things work in Washington. Everybody would get to add a little bit and more than likely it'll say "Tesla no dealerships are ok" or some other crap granting special rights to somebody. That's just how things go. Pass. I would rather existing state laws are overturned in court, so we're subtracting, not adding.

enraged_camel 13y ago

For the love of god, when will people realize that the vast majority of those petitions do absolutely nothing, except perhaps give the signers a nice warm feeling of having done something (when they actually haven't)?

bobo13579 13y ago
The petition is quite awful too. The law should allow any manufacturer to sell directly. The petition won't do anything, but at least it gives this issue publicity.