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The problem I see is not to do with the education but the whole "I went to an IIT" leg-up that people get (Like ivy-leagers). Just seems extremely unfair that

The problem I see is not to do with the education but the whole "I went to an IIT" leg-up that people get (Like ivy-leagers). Just seems extremely unfair that the social outcome for getting into an IIT is so different for people of almost identical intellectual capability.

chetanahuja 13y ago
Just seems extremely unfair that the social outcome for getting into an IIT is so different for people of almost identical intellectual capability. Unless you could quote a proper scientific study, that seems like a highly unsupportable assertion. Just anecdotally, I know multiple people who chose not to go to IIT despite being inside the cut-off for one reason or another (e.g., not having a high enough rank to get into their preferred line of study) who've gone on to have extremely good careers nonetheless. Although admittedly, I'm struggling to think of any IIT graduates who did not end up with a solid to brilliant career, regardless of their actual academic performance while at IIT. Some to my great surprise! So what I'm saying is... there's not enough data to make a statement like you did.
th3iedkid 13y ago
Given today's scenario the quality of engineers is dipping.So does the gap and thus even a decently meritorious engineer looks much better than the rest of the crowd.An old study http://careers.learnhub.com/news/544-90-percent-graduates-and-75-percent-engineers-are-unemployable-nasscom http://careers.learnhub.com/news/544-90-percent-graduates-an... shows how poor the rest of the colleges are.That said the socioeconomic gap keeps widening and thus opinions.Opinions are hard to break lest someone disprove.Vast majority of indian IT companies still run aptitude test to figure out who squares out a big number faster and cracks the tell-tale puzzle quicker rather who can understand the system and engineer better.So are their parent's prioties:education is BIG investment and they only want returns not knowledge.Well then these IT companies pay for a 12 hour code/test/typo job!And these companies are PRESTIGIOUS in india!!
- chetanahuja 13y ago
  I'm finding it hard to decipher the point you're trying to make other than the fact that you're dissatisfied with... uhh... things in India. No argument there. I am too. The discussion at hand was about the small set of people who perhaps have the capability to get into IIT's but for various reasons don't manage to get in the top 2% in that particular test. I asserted that such people end up in other decent colleges (and there are plenty of good ones outside of the IIT system and they still form only a fraction of the sum total of Engineering education in India) and generally tend to end up in good to great careers. Any opinions on that discussion ?
  - th3iedkid 13y ago
    Sorry my frustration overrode clarity!! the gap across good quality colleges and others is getting bigger and bigger by the day .Unless something is done,these off-center-2% might as well get mixed up and lost.i wanted to mention the sociology-economic gap outside of IIT scheme of things.Its usually expensive if it isn't IIT and when it gets to that it creates all the more gap.Priorities change from educating oneself to undoing ones debts quickly and these very same priories can take one in a very different course.This will only widen the socioeconomic gap and lessen the opportunity for bright minds to come out naturally in times to come.

chetanahuja 13y ago

Just seems extremely unfair that the social outcome for getting into an IIT is so different for people of almost identical intellectual capability. Unless you could quote a proper scientific study, that seems like a highly unsupportable assertion. Just anecdotally, I know multiple people who chose not to go to IIT despite being inside the cut-off for one reason or another (e.g., not having a high enough rank to get into their preferred line of study) who've gone on to have extremely good careers nonetheless. Although admittedly, I'm struggling to think of any IIT graduates who did not end up with a solid to brilliant career, regardless of their actual academic performance while at IIT. Some to my great surprise! So what I'm saying is... there's not enough data to make a statement like you did.

th3iedkid 13y ago

Given today's scenario the quality of engineers is dipping.So does the gap and thus even a decently meritorious engineer looks much better than the rest of the crowd.An old study http://careers.learnhub.com/news/544-90-percent-graduates-and-75-percent-engineers-are-unemployable-nasscom http://careers.learnhub.com/news/544-90-percent-graduates-an... shows how poor the rest of the colleges are.That said the socioeconomic gap keeps widening and thus opinions.Opinions are hard to break lest someone disprove.Vast majority of indian IT companies still run aptitude test to figure out who squares out a big number faster and cracks the tell-tale puzzle quicker rather who can understand the system and engineer better.So are their parent's prioties:education is BIG investment and they only want returns not knowledge.Well then these IT companies pay for a 12 hour code/test/typo job!And these companies are PRESTIGIOUS in india!!

chetanahuja 13y ago
I'm finding it hard to decipher the point you're trying to make other than the fact that you're dissatisfied with... uhh... things in India. No argument there. I am too. The discussion at hand was about the small set of people who perhaps have the capability to get into IIT's but for various reasons don't manage to get in the top 2% in that particular test. I asserted that such people end up in other decent colleges (and there are plenty of good ones outside of the IIT system and they still form only a fraction of the sum total of Engineering education in India) and generally tend to end up in good to great careers. Any opinions on that discussion ?
- th3iedkid 13y ago
  Sorry my frustration overrode clarity!! the gap across good quality colleges and others is getting bigger and bigger by the day .Unless something is done,these off-center-2% might as well get mixed up and lost.i wanted to mention the sociology-economic gap outside of IIT scheme of things.Its usually expensive if it isn't IIT and when it gets to that it creates all the more gap.Priorities change from educating oneself to undoing ones debts quickly and these very same priories can take one in a very different course.This will only widen the socioeconomic gap and lessen the opportunity for bright minds to come out naturally in times to come.