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Defense Department Blocks Access to Guardian to Prevent Viewing of NSA Leaks
- ferdo 13y agoNothing like closing the barn door after all the horses have bolted.
- asperous 13y agoThis is more like closing the neighbor's barn door. Like the Guardian's main website has a "upload leaked document form"?! This is them either too scared to think straight, or they are being told to do it by someone who is.
- jaxb 13y agoNew Yorker runs Strongbox, so Guardian can run one too.
- joelrunyon 13y agoTo me this is just as bad of an example (if not worse) of the leaks. How soon till we expand this firewall from "classified docs in the public domain" to "anything that we don't like" affecting "active duty soliders" to "anyone we don't want to have this information."
- gasull 13y agoOr how long until they expand to other departments?
- rhizome 13y agoAnd the US Government criticizes China (and Snowden's possible presence there) under exactly these terms.
- rosser 13y agoWhile staying as far as humanly possible from defending the USG on any of this, there's a vast, vast difference between people who've volunteered for military service, or to work for the DoD, and people who had the (debatable) misfortune of being born Chinese.
- leandroarts 13y agoThe difference is that the volunteers get more money and is composed of a war hungry brainwashed culture that cant point the countries its at war with on the map. Unless there is an actual invasion there is little moral justification for murder, violence, threats. The road to wealth is peace, the road to peace is compassion and the strength of every individual in our society.
- knowaveragejoe 13y agoYikes, the last part of what you said is certainly true, but the beginning is a grossly naive view of military service members.
- throwaway10001 13y agoWhen you join the Army etc you largely leave your free speech (and many other) rights at the door, so I fail to see the equivalence. My guess is that that info is still classified, even though it's public, and accessing it might be a technical violation for those without clearances.
- rhizome 13y agoFor the first part, I didn't say they were equivalent. I said it was the same criteria by which China and Snowden were criticized, not that the US was doing to all of its citizens all of the things that the US criticizes China for. For the second, honest question: does published information actually retain its classification?
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- rdl 13y agoDoD largely uses commercial firewalls and filters (Websense was the big one) to block a bunch of stuff, ranging from porn to malware to racist/violent things. It was super-lulz when they tried to apply the same filters to people responsible for monitoring local news and responding to it in places like Iraq. This isn't that big a change.
- llamataboot 13y agoStreisand effect
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- sneak 13y agoIt may be standard procedure, but that doesn't mean there's "nothing to see here." Comments like this are not useful to constructive discussion of the topic at hand.
- whateverfor 13y agoThis isn't about censorship or trying to shut the barn door after the horse or anything about trying to prevent the spread of documents to the public (or even realistically the people who work at the DoD). The key words are right in the article itself: "integrity of unclassified government information systems.” Note that it's not the classified systems they are worried about, but the boring unclassified ones. There are separate systems for classified and unclassified information, and there are rules to make sure that stuff doesn't move from the classified systems to the unclassified ones by accident. One of those rules, very sensibly, is that classified information shouldn't be on the unclassified systems. Again, this has nothing to do with stopping public spread of the documents, and everything to do with trying to keep "clean" systems clean, as they explain in the article.
- radicaldreamer 13y agoCertainly, there must be a state for "leaked" classified documents, for which this rule simply wouldn't apply (these leaked documents could literally appear anywhere on the web in theory).
- rurounijones 13y ago"Classified" remains classified even if leaked to remove ambiguity and possible sloppiness. It is to avoid situations like: "this document says it needs to be handled as if it is classified but I am pretty sure it leaked last week so I will treat it as unclassified which is easier..."
- smackfu 13y agoThe only other state is formally unclassifying them.
- unknsldr 13y agoYou are absolutely correct about the compartmentalization and physical separation of classified and unclassified systems. I disagree that this is about keeping "clean" systems clean. That is the justification for the block. The implied task, which typically carries tremendous latitude, is in this clause: > Leadership must establish a vigilant command climate that underscores the critical importance of safeguarding classified material against compromise. Officers will discuss this in an email, maybe during a routine brief, and issue intent (maybe guidance) to the NCOs. That clause about the vigilant command climate being underscored is where the NCOs will be interpreting the implied task(s). Somewhere, for some units, this will be similar to the way alcohol and pornography is handled. There will be an amnesty and then there will be barracks inspections. Platoon and team leaders will treat any device used to access an unclassified system as though it were a thumb drive. Most of the lower enlisted depend heavily upon their Defense Knowledge Online (DKO) portal and webmail. Many use personal computers to access from their barracks. Medical records, address books, professional development, college coursework, all are accessed through the portal. If you have been keeping up on the Snowden leaks on your personal laptop and you are caught with that material on your personal laptop, which you use to access DKO, you will be charged with a security violation. Your clearance will be revoked. You will lose your job and there will be a criminal investigation. If you sync your phone with your laptop, that will be inspected, as well. Your phone might as well be a thumb drive. If you have an email with Snowden material attached to it in your GMail Inbox, and that is pushed to your phone but you fail to report and scrub it, you will be charged. These are marching orders. Soldiers will feel the squeeze from this.
- mpyne 13y agoProbably for the best, Guardian loads like shit on old versions of IE compared to WaPo and even NYT.
- danielrhodes 13y agoThe people of Troy are still worrying about the efficacy of their city walls when the Greek soldiers have already gotten out of the horse and opened the gates.
- mtgx 13y agoI was wondering when they'll actually start attacking the 1st amendment (well I guess they started when they went after the press, and chilling speech), and when they will be actually censoring stuff. It happened a bit earlier than even I expected.
- cstross 13y agoIt started in 1919. It was ruled in the Schenk case that the Espionage Act (1917) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917) did not violate the freedom of speech of those convicted under it. Schenk mailed out anti-draft leaflets during WW1, and jailed for it. Per wikipedia: 'The Court, in a unanimous opinion written by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., held that Schenck's criminal conviction was constitutional. The First Amendment did not protect speech encouraging insubordination, because, "when a nation is at war, many things that might be said in time of peace are such a hindrance to its effort that their utterance will not be endured so long as men fight, and that no Court could regard them as protected by any constitutional right."' So, precedent: freedom of speech doesn't apply if it impairs the ability of the state to wage war. The next step was the gradual institutionalization of a permanent on-going state of war. This has been sliding into place since WW2, from the early days of the Cold War onwards, by way of the gradual militarization of the federal system; from the outside, the USA of today looks like an Imperial colossus, out-spending the rest of the planet on weapons (and out-deploying it, too). Where you have a permanent state of war you have a permanent justification for emergency authority (as Orwell observed in 1984 -- what did "We have always been at war with EastAsia really signify?"). So wartime regulations overriding normal constitutional protections become embedded. Finally, we have the virtualization of the permanent state of war: from a war stance pointed at a concrete enemy with tanks and nuclear missiles, to a war on an abstraction, "terror", which is drawn so widely that it leads to officials making statements like this: "We take water quality very seriously. Very, very seriously ... But you need to make sure that when you make water quality complaints you have a basis, because federally, if there’s no water quality issues, that can be considered under Homeland Security an act of terrorism." Source: http://www.alternet.org/environment/tennessee-official-says-complaining-about-water-quality-could-be-considered-act http://www.alternet.org/environment/tennessee-official-says-... It's a slippery slope, but the USA is already surprisingly far down it -- the bottom is within reach already!
- jasiek 13y agoThat doesn't make any sense. Don't their employees already have access to that information?
- fsckin 13y agoThey did the same thing after the collateral damage video was posted on wikileaks.
- temphn 13y agoThis is exactly analogous to covering your eyes to make yourself invisible. Covering DoD's eyes will not make these revelations go away.
- danboarder 13y agoDocuments are classified as "secret" to maintain control of who sees those documents. However, once they are available for view on the Guardian or other public sites, they are no longer secret, by definition, and thus should no longer classified as secret (because they are not). Following that logic, why aren't leaked docs simply declassified? The cat is out of the bag...
- dantheman 13y agoBecause then people could just create documents and put the government in a position of having to confirm or deny them.
- rdtsc 13y ago"secret" and "top secret" are specific classification labels that don't necessarily correspond 1 to 1 with colloquial definition of the word secret. (Kind of like maybe the word memory in a computer doesn't quite correspond to human memory even though it is the same word). Just because a set of documents are leaked, exposed, stolen, published by someone or handed over to people who are not authorized to view it, it does not automatically reset their classification label. Now you might say "so what this is dumb". And it is and it has nothing to do with you unless you have a clearance. People with a clearance have signed contracts and other documents that say "there are penalties involved if you commit a security violation". One such security violation is "copying or accessing classified information on unclassified systems". That's it. You see where I am going hopefully. You are a grunt on some army based working with crypto radios. You have a clearance. You hope to work for the CIA or NSA maybe when you go back to civilian life. News about leaks comes out. You browse HN or Reddit at work during lunch. See news about leaks. Click and oops! you have just committed a serious security violation. You are accessing classified information on an unclassified system. This _could_ get you into trouble. If anything at least when you are polygraphed if you apply to work at the 3 letter agencies later. So think of this filtering as a "courtesy" to help them inadvertently break some serious rules. Now, does it sound silly and pedantic? Yes. Do I personally agree with this interpretation? No. But that is how it is. And I think this is the reason for filtering not that it tries to prevent oh I don't know an armed rebellion.
- saw-lau 13y agoNorthrop Grumman did a similar, but wider-ranging, thing a few weeks ago; blocking all sites classified as 'news.' This lasted a day or so.
- inthepink 13y agoHow about bundle these up, sign them, and place them on a peer to peer network?
- TheCondor 13y agoMaybe donate and buy cryptome's DVD this year