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There are certainly art installations every year that can maim or kill if you do something stupid. For that matter if you're stupid and wander off into the dust

There are certainly art installations every year that can maim or kill if you do something stupid. For that matter if you're stupid and wander off into the dust storm without water, you can easily get heat stroke. That doesn't mean going to burning man is "edgy and dangerous", it just means that's what you have to put on a ticket if you are organizing an event in litigation-happy USA.

gaius 13y ago
Funny that the UK has all the ambulance-chasing lawyers too now (thanks America!) yet there is no such disclaimer on Glastonbury.
- andyking 13y ago
  There's a big fence around Glastonbury - and wandering off into the Somerset countryside doesn't hold the same level of risk as walking out into the desert...
  - bigiain 13y ago
    And while never having been to Glastonbury, I strongly doubt I'd have the opportunity there to get as close to the action with things like Greg Leyh's 30foot tall Tesla Coil(1), or Jim Masons flamethrowers(2), or Dance Dance Immolation(3), or even the somewhat more "safe" artworks like Crude Awakening(4). I know Burningman has a _very_ strong "hipster douchbag" reputation these days (and I won't argue that it's not at least somewhat deserved) - there is definitely something more than that as well. (1) http://galleries.burningman.com/photos/klammerd/klammerd.9955 http://galleries.burningman.com/photos/klammerd/klammerd.995... (2) http://galleries.burningman.com/photos/silver/silver.3577 http://galleries.burningman.com/photos/silver/silver.3577 (3) http://galleries.burningman.com/photos/mr_fang/mr_fang.21326 http://galleries.burningman.com/photos/mr_fang/mr_fang.21326 (4) http://youtu.be/EWGx0PhDGlU?t=2m44s http://youtu.be/EWGx0PhDGlU?t=2m44s
    - katem 13y ago
      DDI is pretty safe, Flame Thrower Shooting Gallery is the one I worry about. BTW we're bringing both of them back (and more) this year as part of Charcade: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/Site3/charcade-burning-man-2013 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/Site3/charcade-burning-m...
  - scrumper 13y ago
    Well, I don't know, there are an awful lot of badgers around these days.
- nicholassmith 13y ago
  Because you're not in the middle of the desert, you're in a smashing field in a charming part of the country. Some of the installations in Glastonbury are most likely dangerous in some respects, but a lot of the ones at Burning Man seem to carry an inherent risk of injury if you're not seriously careful.
- DanBC 13y ago
  You can't disclaim liability in the UK. All those signs you see where people are saying that they're not liable? Those are meaningless. But, apart from that, you're just plain wrong. Did you even check? (http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/information/tickets/2013-ticket-info#tandcs http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/information/tickets/20...) > 4. Admission is at Ticket Holder's own risk. Glastonbury Festival 2013 Ltd and the Premises Licence Holder will not be held liable for any loss, injuries or damages sustained at the event including damage, theft or losses to property and motor vehicles, if the cause is due to the negligence of the ticket holder or the actions of other patrons or third parties or force majeure.
  - Zimahl 13y ago
    I'm pretty sure you can't disclaim liability in the US just with a sign either. All of those 'park at your own risk' signs mean nothing when a runaway shopping cart puts a big dent in your door. A shopping center is responsible for their carts, but not for your car being broken into - things like that. Those signs are just there to make people think they can't sue. When I was in college I played a lot of intramural softball. Of course you had to sign a release that if you get hurt in the regular course of the game the school wasn't liable. Fair enough. My problem was that they allowed these insane metal softball bats, triple-walled ones that can turn Gary Coleman into Jose Cabrera. As the pitcher I didn't like balls flying at my head (insert gay joke here) at those insane speeds. I complained and was promptly told 'you signed a waiver'. I made it clear that I didn't sign a waiver for negligence and they were being negligent by allowing unsafe bats, moreso now that I've brought the issue to their attention. They changed their tune pretty quickly after that.

gaius 13y ago

Funny that the UK has all the ambulance-chasing lawyers too now (thanks America!) yet there is no such disclaimer on Glastonbury.

andyking 13y ago
There's a big fence around Glastonbury - and wandering off into the Somerset countryside doesn't hold the same level of risk as walking out into the desert...
- bigiain 13y ago
  And while never having been to Glastonbury, I strongly doubt I'd have the opportunity there to get as close to the action with things like Greg Leyh's 30foot tall Tesla Coil(1), or Jim Masons flamethrowers(2), or Dance Dance Immolation(3), or even the somewhat more "safe" artworks like Crude Awakening(4). I know Burningman has a _very_ strong "hipster douchbag" reputation these days (and I won't argue that it's not at least somewhat deserved) - there is definitely something more than that as well. (1) http://galleries.burningman.com/photos/klammerd/klammerd.9955 http://galleries.burningman.com/photos/klammerd/klammerd.995... (2) http://galleries.burningman.com/photos/silver/silver.3577 http://galleries.burningman.com/photos/silver/silver.3577 (3) http://galleries.burningman.com/photos/mr_fang/mr_fang.21326 http://galleries.burningman.com/photos/mr_fang/mr_fang.21326 (4) http://youtu.be/EWGx0PhDGlU?t=2m44s http://youtu.be/EWGx0PhDGlU?t=2m44s
  - katem 13y ago
    DDI is pretty safe, Flame Thrower Shooting Gallery is the one I worry about. BTW we're bringing both of them back (and more) this year as part of Charcade: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/Site3/charcade-burning-man-2013 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/Site3/charcade-burning-m...
- scrumper 13y ago
  Well, I don't know, there are an awful lot of badgers around these days.
nicholassmith 13y ago
Because you're not in the middle of the desert, you're in a smashing field in a charming part of the country. Some of the installations in Glastonbury are most likely dangerous in some respects, but a lot of the ones at Burning Man seem to carry an inherent risk of injury if you're not seriously careful.
DanBC 13y ago
You can't disclaim liability in the UK. All those signs you see where people are saying that they're not liable? Those are meaningless. But, apart from that, you're just plain wrong. Did you even check? (http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/information/tickets/2013-ticket-info#tandcs http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/information/tickets/20...) > 4. Admission is at Ticket Holder's own risk. Glastonbury Festival 2013 Ltd and the Premises Licence Holder will not be held liable for any loss, injuries or damages sustained at the event including damage, theft or losses to property and motor vehicles, if the cause is due to the negligence of the ticket holder or the actions of other patrons or third parties or force majeure.
- Zimahl 13y ago
  I'm pretty sure you can't disclaim liability in the US just with a sign either. All of those 'park at your own risk' signs mean nothing when a runaway shopping cart puts a big dent in your door. A shopping center is responsible for their carts, but not for your car being broken into - things like that. Those signs are just there to make people think they can't sue. When I was in college I played a lot of intramural softball. Of course you had to sign a release that if you get hurt in the regular course of the game the school wasn't liable. Fair enough. My problem was that they allowed these insane metal softball bats, triple-walled ones that can turn Gary Coleman into Jose Cabrera. As the pitcher I didn't like balls flying at my head (insert gay joke here) at those insane speeds. I complained and was promptly told 'you signed a waiver'. I made it clear that I didn't sign a waiver for negligence and they were being negligent by allowing unsafe bats, moreso now that I've brought the issue to their attention. They changed their tune pretty quickly after that.