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Afraid of ending on the wrong side of this debate, but: - I'm sure, if convicted, it's unlikely that he will get maximum penalty (13 years), sensationalist hea

by jpablo 13y ago

Afraid of ending on the wrong side of this debate, but: - I'm sure, if convicted, it's unlikely that he will get maximum penalty (13 years), sensationalist headers and all. - If someone was writing whatever (political speech, gang signs, etc) on my property I sure would like them to be arrested and given a good punishment so they won't do it again.

jpablo 13y ago
And yeah, if you have even tried writing with chalk on a rugged wall you'll find soon enough that it's not that washable, at least not with some effort.
- lettergram 13y ago
  Pretty sure a power washer can handle it in about 20 seconds, even a hose with an attachment.
  - jpablo 13y ago
    I have a rugged white wall used by mi nieces to draw using Crayola Chalks to prove otherwise. I don't have a power washer but I did tried washing it using a hose with an attachment. Then scrubbing it with soap and in faded considerably but didn't went away completely. Still why will someone have to pay/do the work to clean up the mess that this guy was doing (for six months, 13 times!), just because it's a "political message" it's ok to make a mess and have other people clean it up?
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      Why should society foot the bill to jail this guy for any amount of time when a far lower sum of money could be used to rent a pressure washer to make him use to clean it up?
      - danielweber 13y ago
        If he's a first-time offender, your solution is a lot better idea than any jail time.
dlss 13y ago
Wait, so you think maybe 1/13th of the max punishment (1 year in prison) is a reasonable punishment for writing things in chalk on private property? If we're talking community service, repaying the cost of cleanup, or that sort of thing I agree with you... if we're talking about taking away years of someone's life I'm really confused.
- jpablo 13y ago
  I think judges usually do escalated punishment. I don't any prison time would be fair time at this point. Maybe paying for cleaning all the damage and doing some community service (he did it 13 times in a lapse of 6months). Then if he goes and does it again, maybe prison time will discourage him for doing it again? I don't see him as a political protester, but as equal to someone painting gang signs.
  - redblacktree 13y ago
    > I don't see him as a political protester, but as equal to someone painting gang signs. Really? Even though his message is quite political? The idea that huge banks are destructive to our economy certainly seems to be a political idea to me.
- wheaties 13y ago
  He never said anything about any jail sentence being reasonable. He just said 13yrs is unreasonable.
  - dlss 13y ago
    > He never said anything about any jail sentence being reasonable. He just said 13yrs is unreasonable. 1. It sounds like GP thinks jail is reasonable based on "I sure would like them to be arrested and given a good punishment so they won't do it again." 2. He actually didn't say that 13 years was unreasonable, he just said that it was unlikely
swift 13y ago
Are San Diego sidewalks private property? In most places I've lived they belong to the city.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  In San Diego, property owners are responsible for fixing normal wear and tear on sidewalks. I don't know if this would cover cleaning up graffiti or not. http://www.sandiego.gov/street-div/services/roadways/sidewalk.shtml http://www.sandiego.gov/street-div/services/roadways/sidewal...
- chrishepner 13y ago
  I'm not sure for the purposes of this case, but San Diego has some strange policies for their sidewalks. By CA law the property owner is usually responsible for the upkeep of the sidewalk on their property. However, if someone falls and breaks their face on a broken sidewalk the city is liable.
quackerhacker 13y ago
I really hope he goes to trial with his case and WILL NOT take a deal. I'd like to believe a jury of his peers would see this as a protest...yet in my own criminal case, my lawyer told me "ignorance of the law is not excusable."

by jpablo 13y ago

jpablo 13y ago

And yeah, if you have even tried writing with chalk on a rugged wall you'll find soon enough that it's not that washable, at least not with some effort.

lettergram 13y ago
Pretty sure a power washer can handle it in about 20 seconds, even a hose with an attachment.
- jpablo 13y ago
  I have a rugged white wall used by mi nieces to draw using Crayola Chalks to prove otherwise. I don't have a power washer but I did tried washing it using a hose with an attachment. Then scrubbing it with soap and in faded considerably but didn't went away completely. Still why will someone have to pay/do the work to clean up the mess that this guy was doing (for six months, 13 times!), just because it's a "political message" it's ok to make a mess and have other people clean it up?
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    Why should society foot the bill to jail this guy for any amount of time when a far lower sum of money could be used to rent a pressure washer to make him use to clean it up?
    - danielweber 13y ago
      If he's a first-time offender, your solution is a lot better idea than any jail time.

dlss 13y ago

Wait, so you think maybe 1/13th of the max punishment (1 year in prison) is a reasonable punishment for writing things in chalk on private property? If we're talking community service, repaying the cost of cleanup, or that sort of thing I agree with you... if we're talking about taking away years of someone's life I'm really confused.

jpablo 13y ago
I think judges usually do escalated punishment. I don't any prison time would be fair time at this point. Maybe paying for cleaning all the damage and doing some community service (he did it 13 times in a lapse of 6months). Then if he goes and does it again, maybe prison time will discourage him for doing it again? I don't see him as a political protester, but as equal to someone painting gang signs.
- redblacktree 13y ago
  > I don't see him as a political protester, but as equal to someone painting gang signs. Really? Even though his message is quite political? The idea that huge banks are destructive to our economy certainly seems to be a political idea to me.
wheaties 13y ago
He never said anything about any jail sentence being reasonable. He just said 13yrs is unreasonable.
- dlss 13y ago
  > He never said anything about any jail sentence being reasonable. He just said 13yrs is unreasonable. 1. It sounds like GP thinks jail is reasonable based on "I sure would like them to be arrested and given a good punishment so they won't do it again." 2. He actually didn't say that 13 years was unreasonable, he just said that it was unlikely

swift 13y ago

Are San Diego sidewalks private property? In most places I've lived they belong to the city.

jlgreco 13y ago
In San Diego, property owners are responsible for fixing normal wear and tear on sidewalks. I don't know if this would cover cleaning up graffiti or not. http://www.sandiego.gov/street-div/services/roadways/sidewalk.shtml http://www.sandiego.gov/street-div/services/roadways/sidewal...
chrishepner 13y ago
I'm not sure for the purposes of this case, but San Diego has some strange policies for their sidewalks. By CA law the property owner is usually responsible for the upkeep of the sidewalk on their property. However, if someone falls and breaks their face on a broken sidewalk the city is liable.

quackerhacker 13y ago

I really hope he goes to trial with his case and WILL NOT take a deal. I'd like to believe a jury of his peers would see this as a protest...yet in my own criminal case, my lawyer told me "ignorance of the law is not excusable."