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Ah, yes. Assume I'm ignorant about the technology you claim is superior (the exact same thing happened the last time I tried to point out that the web has advan

Ah, yes. Assume I'm ignorant about the technology you claim is superior (the exact same thing happened the last time I tried to point out that the web has advanced a bit in the last 10 years). I didn't even try to make any claim about the web being better than native, but for your own knowledge, I have experience with native SDKs from win32, to cocoa, to android and iOS. >Trying to portray web stack as superior is laughable In what regard? Surely not in ease of development? Ease of learning? Ease/portability/availability of tools? Portability of the end app itself? Available developer pool? Open source code to look at and use? I can't imagine a way that any native platform beats the web in any of those categories. Or just in terms of making a fancy animation and having reusable UI elements? You're probably right, but oh wait, if only you'd investigated Shadow DOM and Polymers like I recommended you'd see that web technologies are rapidly advancing on that front as well.

pbsdp 13y ago
> Surely not in ease of development? Nope. Building a complex application in JS+HTML+CSS is still an enormously painful undertaking. > Ease of learning? Also nope. Complex applications are still complex. > Ease/portability/availability of tools? Compared to the development tools for other platforms (IDEs, profilers, etc), the web tools are far, far, far more limited. > Portability of the end app itself? Portability is a cost-cutting measure, but never a user-appreciated feature. The web would need to stand alone as a first-tier platform for this to be a net gain; as it is, web-only experience is subpar. > Available developer pool? Quality engineers capable of producing first-class applications for your users still cost a lot and are rare on the ground. > Open source code to look at and use? This is not even remotely unique to the web. > You're probably right, but oh wait, if only you'd investigated Shadow DOM and Polymers like I recommended you'd see that web technologies are rapidly advancing on that front as well. Catching up to 1990s application architecture is not really a cause to celebrate. The technology stack that drives desktop and mobile devices is massive. We don't build custom interfaces directly on top of OpenGL and call it a day.
- jdgiese 13y ago
  Hmm, I suspect that the comparison is relative, whereas many of your comments are absolute. E.g. Quality engineers are certainly hard to find, but are good javascript developers _harder_ or _easier_ to find than iOS developers? I don't really know, but I suspect that good javascript developers are easier to find. Also, I think web-development tools are pretty on par to xcode.

pbsdp 13y ago

> Surely not in ease of development? Nope. Building a complex application in JS+HTML+CSS is still an enormously painful undertaking. > Ease of learning? Also nope. Complex applications are still complex. > Ease/portability/availability of tools? Compared to the development tools for other platforms (IDEs, profilers, etc), the web tools are far, far, far more limited. > Portability of the end app itself? Portability is a cost-cutting measure, but never a user-appreciated feature. The web would need to stand alone as a first-tier platform for this to be a net gain; as it is, web-only experience is subpar. > Available developer pool? Quality engineers capable of producing first-class applications for your users still cost a lot and are rare on the ground. > Open source code to look at and use? This is not even remotely unique to the web. > You're probably right, but oh wait, if only you'd investigated Shadow DOM and Polymers like I recommended you'd see that web technologies are rapidly advancing on that front as well. Catching up to 1990s application architecture is not really a cause to celebrate. The technology stack that drives desktop and mobile devices is massive. We don't build custom interfaces directly on top of OpenGL and call it a day.

jdgiese 13y ago
Hmm, I suspect that the comparison is relative, whereas many of your comments are absolute. E.g. Quality engineers are certainly hard to find, but are good javascript developers _harder_ or _easier_ to find than iOS developers? I don't really know, but I suspect that good javascript developers are easier to find. Also, I think web-development tools are pretty on par to xcode.