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Absolutely! And genuine, valuable information is censored by the "admins" (and from observing some of those people, I have concluded that quite a few of them ar

by mroman 17y ago

Absolutely! And genuine, valuable information is censored by the "admins" (and from observing some of those people, I have concluded that quite a few of them are hardly literate - NOT qualified to make decisions of the magnitude that they make) and the damage this causes is proportional to the amount of accurate information available on the web on a topic, the less useful info there is, the more egregious the damage . . .

tptacek 17y ago
This is an inflammatory and unsupported argument, unbecoming of Hacker News. I'll argue that you appear not to understand how WP works (individual admins can't "censor" anything, decisions to remove content can be made by any user, not just admins, and there are numerous procedural protectiosn along the way), and that you've chosen to frame your argument in terms of personal attacks rather than meaningful assertions about how the encyclopedia works. Where am I wrong? If I'm not, why should you be taken seriously about this subject?
- mroman 17y ago
  Oh PLEASE. Inflammatory? the fact that YOU find it inflammatory is meaningless within the context of this discussion. Don't talk to me about admins not censoring content, I had MULTIPLE VALID RELEVANT NON COMMERCIAL LINKS deleted for (paraphrasing) not being a regular, that is EXACTLY what the admin conveyed to me when I called him on it, that part of his decision was based on the fact that I had never contributed anything, which is absolutely ludicrous. As to unsupported, go see for yourself! A user should not need to "understand how WP works" other than the obvious rules, such as no spam, no porn, no irrelevant content, etc, those are obvious, all those other little hoops, whatever they are I am not even interested, that you imply exist only serve to raise the bar for something that is supposedly there to be edited by anyone. Procedural protections? what are you talking about? What happened with my submissions was ALL the result of an arbitrary and completely unjustified decision by an admin. Replying to your post as I have done has been a waste of time, I know exactly what I experienced there (I was SHOCKED when it happened) and discussing it here in great detail (as in, go to the admin's discussion page, and look for the exchange we had then, to copy and paste here) is absolutely meaningless, a waste of time, Wikipedia as it exists now is a complete waste of time, it's a complete failure, and it constitutes negative value, as I outlined in a previous post about this. I could give a hoot whether you take me seriously on this subject, it means nothing to me, I was replying to pg's comment. Edit: since when do YOU decide what is becoming or unbecoming here?
  - ableal 17y ago
    It's an uncommonly warm and fine spring day around here, I think I'll take a walk outside in the sun. I find it soothing. I also apologize for dragging in this topic. Mind if I take it out now and hang it to dry ?
    - mroman 17y ago
      I don't mind it in the very least, matter of fact, thank you. If I become too emotional about this point with Wikipedia, it is because the geek/nerd/techie/propellerhead/[INSERT TERM FOR US] in me is just OUTRAGED at what I witnessed firsthand at wikipedia. Note to self: avoid wikipedia related discussions, and try to stick to Slashdot from now on.
- allenbrunson 17y ago
  remembering some of your early comments as i do, i find it amusing that you would call someone else's argument "inflammatory!" but i have to admit, you've done a really good job of curbing your own inflammatory language. i find your comments much easier to read as a result. if only we could all be so flexible in the face of unexpected challenges.

by mroman 17y ago

tptacek 17y ago

This is an inflammatory and unsupported argument, unbecoming of Hacker News. I'll argue that you appear not to understand how WP works (individual admins can't "censor" anything, decisions to remove content can be made by any user, not just admins, and there are numerous procedural protectiosn along the way), and that you've chosen to frame your argument in terms of personal attacks rather than meaningful assertions about how the encyclopedia works. Where am I wrong? If I'm not, why should you be taken seriously about this subject?

mroman 17y ago
Oh PLEASE. Inflammatory? the fact that YOU find it inflammatory is meaningless within the context of this discussion. Don't talk to me about admins not censoring content, I had MULTIPLE VALID RELEVANT NON COMMERCIAL LINKS deleted for (paraphrasing) not being a regular, that is EXACTLY what the admin conveyed to me when I called him on it, that part of his decision was based on the fact that I had never contributed anything, which is absolutely ludicrous. As to unsupported, go see for yourself! A user should not need to "understand how WP works" other than the obvious rules, such as no spam, no porn, no irrelevant content, etc, those are obvious, all those other little hoops, whatever they are I am not even interested, that you imply exist only serve to raise the bar for something that is supposedly there to be edited by anyone. Procedural protections? what are you talking about? What happened with my submissions was ALL the result of an arbitrary and completely unjustified decision by an admin. Replying to your post as I have done has been a waste of time, I know exactly what I experienced there (I was SHOCKED when it happened) and discussing it here in great detail (as in, go to the admin's discussion page, and look for the exchange we had then, to copy and paste here) is absolutely meaningless, a waste of time, Wikipedia as it exists now is a complete waste of time, it's a complete failure, and it constitutes negative value, as I outlined in a previous post about this. I could give a hoot whether you take me seriously on this subject, it means nothing to me, I was replying to pg's comment. Edit: since when do YOU decide what is becoming or unbecoming here?
- ableal 17y ago
  It's an uncommonly warm and fine spring day around here, I think I'll take a walk outside in the sun. I find it soothing. I also apologize for dragging in this topic. Mind if I take it out now and hang it to dry ?
  - mroman 17y ago
    I don't mind it in the very least, matter of fact, thank you. If I become too emotional about this point with Wikipedia, it is because the geek/nerd/techie/propellerhead/[INSERT TERM FOR US] in me is just OUTRAGED at what I witnessed firsthand at wikipedia. Note to self: avoid wikipedia related discussions, and try to stick to Slashdot from now on.
allenbrunson 17y ago
remembering some of your early comments as i do, i find it amusing that you would call someone else's argument "inflammatory!" but i have to admit, you've done a really good job of curbing your own inflammatory language. i find your comments much easier to read as a result. if only we could all be so flexible in the face of unexpected challenges.