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Just for the uninformed that may not know what your referencing. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/21/email-sent-by-michael-hastings-hours-before-his-dea
by quackerhacker 13y ago
Just for the uninformed that may not know what your referencing.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/21/email-sent-by-michael-hastings-hours-before-his-death-mentions-a-big-story-and-a-need-to-go-off-the-radar/ http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/21/email-sent-by-mic...
- kamjam 13y agoWoah. The scene of that accident looks straight out of a movie scene, looks too unreal to be a normal car accident!
- jlgreco 13y agoSigh. No, that car hit that tree. It wasn't dropped off by a flatbed truck or something. And yes, cars can catch fire during high-speed collisions. Not to toot my own horn, but... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5936521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5936521
- VladRussian2 13y agowho said that NSA is limiting themselves only to reading your emails. "Bush advisor: Hastings crash ‘consistent with a car cyberattack’" http://rt.com/usa/michael-hastings-cyber-car-218/ http://rt.com/usa/michael-hastings-cyber-car-218/
- jlgreco 13y agoI am not denying the possibility that there was fowl play. I am denying that "the wreck looks like something from a movie" is evidence of anything at all. Keen difference there.
- redthrowaway 13y agoI remember, years ago when I was working for BMW, reports that security researchers had been able to gain control over a vehicle by compromising the wifi that the Tire Pressure Sensors used to communicate with the central onboard computer. If a few security researchers could develop that capability, I'd be stunned if intelligence organizations weren't doing the same.
- X-Istence 13y agoPlease don't use Wifi. Wifi doesn't refer to all radio communications, Wifi specifically refers to IEEE standard 802.11. The TPMS systems do not use Wifi, nor do they generally transmit in the 2.4 GHz band. The system from the paper you mention sits at 315 MHz. The paper is available here: http://www.winlab.rutgers.edu/~Gruteser/papers/xu_tpms10.pdf http://www.winlab.rutgers.edu/~Gruteser/papers/xu_tpms10.pdf
- redthrowaway 13y agoIt's not an important distinction, but I still appreciate the clarification.
- achughes 13y agoYou do realize that RT is a directly funded by the Russian Government don't you? There is a great incentive for them to paint the US in a bad light.
- jlgreco 13y agoHere you go: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/michael-hastings-car-hacked_n_3492339.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/michael-hastings-ca...
- achughes 13y agoI'm not trying to say that its impossible, not by any means, but the RT article presents the statement as something that is assumed to be true, whereas the HuffPo article presents it among a large list of conspiracy theories. The RT article is clearly written to act a propaganda, and the article from the post gives a more objective view, where there is a slim possibility that the car was hacked, but it is just as unlikely as any other.
- fnordfnordfnord 13y agoThat doesn't make it all false. The best propaganda is also true.
- achughes 13y agoBut it also doesn't make it true
- fnordfnordfnord 13y agoThat property exists for all news media.
- VladRussian2 13y agosorry, man, just grabbed a link about Clarke.
- commandar 13y agoDescribing Richard Clarke as a "Bush advisor" is a case of technically true, but sort of an unusual label for the man and somewhat misleading in the impression it might give of who he is. His counter-terror position was a holdover from the Clinton administration, and he eventually left the Bush administration on very bitter terms; I've seen the term "character assassination" used to describe the way he was treated by the administration on numerous ocassions.
- thenewkid 13y agoMichael Hasting's friend was just interviewed on TV: "His friends and family that know him, everyone says he drives like a grandma, so that right there doesn't seem like something he'd be doing, there's no way that he'd be acting erratic like that and driving out of control" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEIjna7672Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEIjna7672Q
- danbruc 13y agoThere seems to be some evidence directly contradicting this statement.
- obstacle1 13y agoPeople are speculating that the controls in his car may have been compromised. [e.g. [1]] I'm not saying this is true; just that it is what people are speculating. Frankly I don't know whether or not it's possible to remotely take over that particular car's steering/acceleration mechanisms. [1] - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/michael-hastings-car-hacked_n_3492339.html?utm_hp_ref=politics http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/michael-hastings-ca...
- codex 13y agoDo people who drive like grandmas spend bread on a 200 hp Mercedes coupe? According to this article [1], Hastings describes himself as a "a recovering drunk/addict/screw-up." In another True/Slant piece, he says, "I have smoked crack." He crashed a car in a drunk-driving accident at 19. It's funny how geeks, who pride themselves on rationality, throw Occam's Razor out the window at the drop of a hat. [1] http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/06/21/LA-Weekly-Michael-Hastings-car-speeding-had0history-of-drunk-driving http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/06/21/LA-Weekly...
- fnordfnordfnord 13y ago>Do people who drive like grandmas spend bread on a 200 hp Mercedes coupe? I know a guy with at least a dozen cars, including a McLaren F1, drives way more cautiously than most grandmothers I know.
- tlrobinson 13y agoThanks to LA's high concentration of paparazzi there's video of (allegedly) him blowing through a red light moments before the crash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNhqKRugk8Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNhqKRugk8Q as well as video of the burning wreck minutes later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LSY3wVuASg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LSY3wVuASg (possibly disturbing video) Also, interview with an eyewitness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fweyFCFKcp0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fweyFCFKcp0
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- nthitz 13y agoRelated: a presentation by DARPA about car cyberattacks http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3D6jxBDy8k8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3D6jx...
- tlrobinson 13y agoNYTimes article: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/10/business/10hack.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/10/business/10hack.html?_r=0 Richard Clarke says it's possible: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/michael-hastings-car-hacked_n_3492339.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/michael-hastings-ca...
- quackerhacker 13y agoThis is one of the reasons I can see Google Glass becoming more prevalent...security of one's well being through live streaming...even though I'm concerned about privacy, sometimes security through obscurity is not viable.
- enupten 13y agoYes give the regime more eyes, why don't you.
- flyinRyan 13y agoIt would work the same way police car cameras work now: if it caught the government breaking the law the footage would simply get lost somehow. If you stream it to some service, the PRISM group would see it and force the site to remove it.
- chaz 13y agoI spent a few min reading the referenced paper, and they do seem to demonstrate that there's the possibility of electronically compromising car electronics, including brakes. However, steering and brakes are mechanical systems in Hastings' 2013 Mercedes C250 (like almost every other car), and cannot be electronically overridden. The steering wheel is connected directly to the wheels, and can't be controlled by the electronics. Electronics can activate the brakes, but can't cause the brakes to not activate because the pedal is connected hydraulically to the calipers. Even if the engine is racing, braking force is greater than the engine's force. [2] If his car was vulnerable, all-electronic attack doesn't seem like a good way to assassinate someone if they can simply step on the brakes to stop the car. Changing the mechanics to allow remote control might be possible, but that's a lot of physical evidence to add to the car. [1] http://www.autosec.org/pubs/cars-usenixsec2011.pdf http://www.autosec.org/pubs/cars-usenixsec2011.pdf [2] http://www.keacher.com/672/title-fight-brakes-versus-engine/ http://www.keacher.com/672/title-fight-brakes-versus-engine/