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It's cause & effect. Pledging allegiance to a flag rather than the Constitution promotes a 1984-like outcome.

by genwin 13y ago

chc 13y ago
I fail to see how it's better to pledge allegiance to a piece of paper than a piece of cloth. Surely both are symbolic of the general idea of "America" rather than the actual object.
- genwin 13y ago
  The kids should be taught about the Constitution and that they should support and defend it (especially the spirit of it) against all enemies foreign and domestic, even the President. That would mean rejecting any obvious wrongdoing and ignoring flag-waving rhetoric. You can see a negative manifestation of the current Pledge when passing by an auto dealership, like this: http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Car-Dealership-with-flags.jpg http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/C...
- dwd 13y ago
  The constitution is the "legal" document that ratifies the formation of the United States of America so it is far from symbolic. If you do away with it you would effectively dissolve the Union. In pledging allegiance to the constitution Snowdens' actions are only illegal in the sense that the current government has laws against what he did and justify those laws based on its constitutionally granted power. On the other hand every citizen has a responsibility to uphold the constitution, so his actions while illegal under the governments' laws are supported by the constitution and its founding principles. Amnesty is coming from a different position where they are making their judgement based on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of which the United States is a signatory. Articles 12 through 14 make for interesting reading. http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a12 http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a12 EDIT: grammar
  - jimktrains2 13y ago
    I wonder why noöne ever brings up article 16 when it comes to gay rights.
    - dwd 13y ago
      Doesn't mention gender so by the letter you could read it as meaning marriage is strictly heterosexual.

It's cause & effect. Pledging allegiance to a flag rather than the Constitution promotes a 1984-like outcome.

by genwin 13y ago

It's cause & effect. Pledging allegiance to a flag rather than the Constitution promotes a 1984-like outcome.

chc 13y ago

I fail to see how it's better to pledge allegiance to a piece of paper than a piece of cloth. Surely both are symbolic of the general idea of "America" rather than the actual object.

genwin 13y ago
The kids should be taught about the Constitution and that they should support and defend it (especially the spirit of it) against all enemies foreign and domestic, even the President. That would mean rejecting any obvious wrongdoing and ignoring flag-waving rhetoric. You can see a negative manifestation of the current Pledge when passing by an auto dealership, like this: http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Car-Dealership-with-flags.jpg http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/C...
dwd 13y ago
The constitution is the "legal" document that ratifies the formation of the United States of America so it is far from symbolic. If you do away with it you would effectively dissolve the Union. In pledging allegiance to the constitution Snowdens' actions are only illegal in the sense that the current government has laws against what he did and justify those laws based on its constitutionally granted power. On the other hand every citizen has a responsibility to uphold the constitution, so his actions while illegal under the governments' laws are supported by the constitution and its founding principles. Amnesty is coming from a different position where they are making their judgement based on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of which the United States is a signatory. Articles 12 through 14 make for interesting reading. http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a12 http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a12 EDIT: grammar
- jimktrains2 13y ago
  I wonder why noöne ever brings up article 16 when it comes to gay rights.
  - dwd 13y ago
    Doesn't mention gender so by the letter you could read it as meaning marriage is strictly heterosexual.