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As I see it, there are two elephants in the room that need addressing. - Do you really want to get involved with anything Google given their links to NSA? - D

by SeanDav 13y ago

As I see it, there are two elephants in the room that need addressing. - Do you really want to get involved with anything Google given their links to NSA? - Do you really want to place company or personal resources into this product given their track history of shutting down experimental, and not even experimental technologies (as this is)? (or Maybe it is time to take off my tin-foil hat. I don't know about that, I just know I am deeply disappointed with Google)

beat 13y ago
For question #2, this doesn't seem like a heavy duty product, just a tool for experiments and spikes. If you're doing real development, you wouldn't be using it (not unless it grows a lot in power and scope). Question #1 isn't really relevant for serious projects.
paranoiacblack 13y ago
I mean, I guess you could boycott their services and products if you're deeply disappointed with Google. These concerns probably aren't relevant to this because similarly to the OAuth playground, it's simply a developer usability tool. Like the webdev tools and other web-related Google things.
tnuc 13y ago
> Do you really want to get involved with anything Google given their links to NSA? Google is far from alone with the NSA involvement. To be safe you would have to host in a country outside the USA.
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  - gyepi 13y ago
    This is true, but it reduces the possibility of getting your data by asking (or "compelling") the provider. Most security models assume that there is adequate physical security and that threats come over the network. A hosting service that doesn't hand over your server or data makes it possible to rely on the former and deal with the latter appropriately. Edit: I really wish people would not delete their comments. It makes it hard to have a conversation!
rasterizer 13y ago
HN is seemingly so oversaturated with NSA items that they're seeping into all submissions regardless: I'll assume you are not trolling and just misinformed so I'll address your 'elephants': - Google already said that there are no "links": http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2013/jun/19/google-chief-legal-officer-david-drummond-live-q-and-a http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2013/jun/19/google... - Statistical analysis of Google closures shows that they deprecate products at below industry pace, so your impression about that is also wrong: http://www.gwern.net/Google%20shutdowns http://www.gwern.net/Google%20shutdowns
- dominotw 13y ago
  Did i miss something his response on the link posted was 'We do push back where we can, and do everything we can to protect our users’ data. But we don’t write the laws.'

by SeanDav 13y ago

beat 13y ago

For question #2, this doesn't seem like a heavy duty product, just a tool for experiments and spikes. If you're doing real development, you wouldn't be using it (not unless it grows a lot in power and scope). Question #1 isn't really relevant for serious projects.

paranoiacblack 13y ago

I mean, I guess you could boycott their services and products if you're deeply disappointed with Google. These concerns probably aren't relevant to this because similarly to the OAuth playground, it's simply a developer usability tool. Like the webdev tools and other web-related Google things.

tnuc 13y ago

> Do you really want to get involved with anything Google given their links to NSA? Google is far from alone with the NSA involvement. To be safe you would have to host in a country outside the USA.

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- gyepi 13y ago
  This is true, but it reduces the possibility of getting your data by asking (or "compelling") the provider. Most security models assume that there is adequate physical security and that threats come over the network. A hosting service that doesn't hand over your server or data makes it possible to rely on the former and deal with the latter appropriately. Edit: I really wish people would not delete their comments. It makes it hard to have a conversation!

rasterizer 13y ago

HN is seemingly so oversaturated with NSA items that they're seeping into all submissions regardless: I'll assume you are not trolling and just misinformed so I'll address your 'elephants': - Google already said that there are no "links": http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2013/jun/19/google-chief-legal-officer-david-drummond-live-q-and-a http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2013/jun/19/google... - Statistical analysis of Google closures shows that they deprecate products at below industry pace, so your impression about that is also wrong: http://www.gwern.net/Google%20shutdowns http://www.gwern.net/Google%20shutdowns

dominotw 13y ago
Did i miss something his response on the link posted was 'We do push back where we can, and do everything we can to protect our users’ data. But we don’t write the laws.'