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I'm not normally in favour of "political" stories on HN but this one is an exception for three reasons. Firstly, mass surveillance and the end-run around the C
by cletus 13y ago
I'm not normally in favour of "political" stories on HN but this one is an exception for three reasons.
Firstly, mass surveillance and the end-run around the Constitution is a technological as well as social and political issue that also touches on the hot button issue of privacy and how the legal system is increasingly at odds with the Internet (eg distinguishing between "US persons" and "foreign persons" is increasingly difficult and makes less and less sense in a connected world).
Secondly, most of these stories have been surprisingly informative if you read between the lines.
- Hong Kong (as a plausible deniability front for the PRC basically) stalled on the arrest warrant and essentially ignored the cancelled passport. When prompted by the US AG they further stalled by requesting more information. Basically they took the approach of "who is this Snowden guy?" and threw up their hands saying "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas; we're confused!" Make no mistake: this is the PRC making a stand against US policy;
- Russia likewise (it is reported today) claims it has no "legal authority" to detain Snowden and don't know where he is (despite him being contained to the airport as he has no valid Russian visa as far as anyone knows). This, too, is Russia taking a stance against US policy.
- Ecuador too of all countries is taking an anti-US stance. It's a strange country to claim to be supporting human rights (given its record and persecution of journalists who criticize the president). In a news article today it was mentioned that the US refused to extradite bankers to Ecuador. Are we seeing the true tit-for-tat motives here?
- Whether the US will interfere with a Russian commercial airliner that travels in or near US airspace (being the flight from Moscow to Cuba) is an open and noteworthy question. It seems unlikely but the very fact that we even need to ask that question says a lot.
- Obama's war on whistleblowers exceeds that of all presidents that came before him. "Justice" is not the only goal here. Making an example of these "traitors" is. That can be the only explanation for the disgusting behaviour (arguably torture) that applied to, say, the detention and solitary confinement of Bradley Manning (ostensibly under the guise of "suicide watch").
- the administration's adoption of the "Insider Threat Program" basically turns all Federal employees into informants on each other where you can be punished for not informing. This is straight out of the Stasi playbook and happening in the US in 2013. Not only that but different departments and agencies have leeway on defining what "sensitive" information is, which goes beyond "classified".
Third, nothing changes and nothing works... until it does. To take the fatalistic and cynical position that there's no point in trying is just... sad.
This issue matters and it's germane to HN on several fronts. If you don't feel the same, just don't click on the links.
- MattyRad 13y agoAgreed. Although I have seen some tabloid-esque articles get upvoted, it's important that the issue of NSA wiretapping (not necessarily the whereabouts of Snowden) do not fade from our mind. It's important here on HN especially, because as technologists we understand far better than others, politicians in particular, the gravity of collecting even the most trivial data. (See the great article "Using Metadata to find Paul Revere")
- davidw 13y ago> This issue matters and it's germane to HN on several fronts. If you don't feel the same, just don't click on the links. I agree that it matters, and it's important, and so on. I also feel that it's something of a watershed in the site's history in that there are a lot more unrelated political articles appearing in its wake, with negative consequences for the quality of discourse and content here. I feel that, long term, if not checked, this will lead to a decline in the quality of the site. Actually... I'm a bit pessimistic in any case. This latest go round seems to have attracted/brought out people mainly interested in politics, so I'm not really sure there's much that can be done in any event.
- evanlivingston 13y agoHN is one of the leading tech news sites. The recent events clearly demonstrate that citizens need to be more involved in the political process, or at least less blasé. As leaders of the tech community, do we not have an obligation to act responsibly, to be informed? I don't believe a shift in HN to be more political would be a shift toward lower quality content, but instead a shift for the better, onto more important things.
- davidw 13y agoSo, if articles do not appear here and get lots of upvotes, we are not informed or involved? Do you think there would be any space left on the front page for startups & tech if the site focused on politics? Many political issues (and there are a lot of them) are objectively far more important than tech & startups, so it would be logical for them to crowd out the former content.